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      08-20-2013, 06:14 PM   #23
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I have had zero issues with my GC Race plates. They make some noise on the crappy San Francisco roads, but nothing really noticeable. I expected way worst. I did have to make one modification. as the top adjuster on the front shocks were hitting the chassis brace. I installed a couple of washers to raise the chassis brace by a couple millimeters and had just enough clearance.
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Did you decide?
Just wanted to advise to replace the upper and lower rear shock mounts if/when you go w/a new susp
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Did you decide?
Just wanted to advise to replace the upper and lower rear shock mounts if/when you go w/a new susp
I think I'll go with the TCKline True Match after all.

Now, for replacing the rear shock mounts I agree, but why the front? The front comes as a complete package with the camber plates which replace the shock mounts, am I right?
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I didn't say front; you get everything you need.
Rear upper and lower shock mounts; idk if that kit comes with rear upper shock mounts; if not, look at Dinan or Powerflex; oem's are too soft, wear out and deflect easily. For the lower rear shock mounts, I think you're stuck with oem rubber. I replaced mine when I had my coilovers installed and have no rear bounce.
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I didn't say front; you get everything you need.
Rear upper and lower shock mounts; idk if that kit comes with rear upper shock mounts; if not, look at Dinan or Powerflex; oem's are too soft, wear out and deflect easily. For the lower rear shock mounts, I think you're stuck with oem rubber. I replaced mine when I had my coilovers installed and have no rear bounce.

Good tip! Most appreciated!
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My TC Kline true match SA's get installed Tuesday.

350/600 is actually the suggested spring rate for comfort and some track, so even though TC runs those spring rates they usually ship with 400/600 if nothing else is requested. I'm more interested in comfort over performance myself.

I hate to throw a wrench in there yet again but the TC Kline site says "you can adjust rebound externally front and rear" for the SA kit.

Between AST or KW, you either won't get linear springs or you won't get complete external adjustability. And KW's are not that great. Lots of good trouble free owners of KW's I'm sure, but I've never seen so many issues as I have with their kits.

AST, Ohlins and TC Kline were all in the running for me.
Bilstein's were a close runner up.
KW and ground control were not considered.

I think you've made the right choice. Spring rates are the only question!
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Between AST or KW, you either won't get linear springs or you won't get complete external adjustability.
Curious what you mean by this vis a vis AST? Thanks
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4100... Doy!
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Huh? Complete sentences would be helpful in conveying the specifics of your point

But let me explain why I'm asking for clarification- my 4100s as you aptly noted I run use both linear springs and are externally adjustable. So what exactly did you mean by the comment I quoted?

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Yes, I've looked into the ASTs. All of my BMW track buddies like them for their performance and absolutely HATE them for having to rebuild them so often.
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Yes, I've looked into the ASTs. All of my BMW track buddies like them for their performance and absolutely HATE them for having to rebuild them so often.
Out of curiosity, just how often do they rebuild them?
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Out of curiosity, just how often do they rebuild them?
Once per season. That's about 20 AutoX events and roughly 10-15 track days.
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Just wondering what you track gurus think about JRZ?
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Just wondering what you track gurus think about JRZ?
JRZ are in a completely different ballpark. Those are some serious track oriented shocks.

They blow TcKline's out of the water for track performance. Much larger range of adjustment.

Tuning Koni shocks can be a shot in the dark sometimes. But I loved both sets of TcKlines I ever bought. SA's for my E36 daily and DA's for the track car.
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I think I'll go with the TCKline True Match after all.

Now, for replacing the rear shock mounts I agree, but why the front? The front comes as a complete package with the camber plates which replace the shock mounts, am I right?

If you have any further questions, or would like help placing an order, please let me know.

All of our TC Kline part #'d dampers ARE externally adjustable front and rear.

Spring rates are chosen by the customer when ordering online, so you are sent the springs that you pick, not us. If you click on the link in the OP's first post, you will see that when the link opens

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Huh? Complete sentences would be helpful in conveying the specifics of your point

But let me explain why I'm asking for clarification- my 4100s as you aptly noted I run use both linear springs and are externally adjustable. So what exactly did you mean by the comment I quoted?

Thanks
And the KW V coilovers use progressive rate springs....except the KW Street Comfort uses linear springs.
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And the KW V coilovers use progressive rate springs....except the KW Street Comfort uses linear springs.
KW v/ST use linear springs.
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TC Kline Racing Suspension though it is Rogue Engineering product,It has (2) Koni-made TC Kline front struts (Single or Double Adjustable)
Two (2) Koni-made TC Kline rear shocks (Single or Double Adjustable)
Two (2) front VVS Springs (300# to 650# in 50# increments)
Two (2) rear VVS Springs (400# to 700# in 100# increments)
Two (2) front bump stops
Two (2) rear ride height adjusters
One (1) pair, rear shock mounts (for models that require them)
so what else you need that makes it the nicest kit
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Not entirely sure what you are asking but I'll answer the question "what do you need to have a complete kit" and the answer is front camber plates. The choices are: tckline, vorshlag, or ground control. Each has its merits and demerits. All good, proven products.
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TC Kline Racing Suspension though it is Rogue Engineering product,It has (2) Koni-made TC Kline front struts (Single or Double Adjustable)
Two (2) Koni-made TC Kline rear shocks (Single or Double Adjustable)
Two (2) front VVS Springs (300# to 650# in 50# increments)
Two (2) rear VVS Springs (400# to 700# in 100# increments)
Two (2) front bump stops
Two (2) rear ride height adjusters
One (1) pair, rear shock mounts (for models that require them)
so what else you need that makes it the nicest kit
Lol Rogue Engineering product? What are you talking about?
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For all of you who have put on TCKline Coilovers, have you also used camber plates as highly recommended by TC?
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For all of you who have put on TCKline Coilovers, have you also used camber plates as highly recommended by TC?
My opinion is that if you spend the time and money to put in quality *performance-oriented* coilovers, like the TCKlines, you are wasting both if you don't also do some sort of camber plate to dial in appreciable negative camber up front.

OTOH, if you're just looking for adjustable slammering, then by all means, stick with stock top hats.
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