E90Post
 


 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Technical Forums > Suspension | Brakes | Chassis > M3 Full Suspension with Koni Double Adjustables



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-05-2009, 10:08 PM   #1
HP Autosport
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
490
Rep
11,673
Posts


Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Barbara, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag

iTrader: (31)

M3 Full Suspension with Koni Double Adjustables

The last piece of the puzzle finally went in today. The toe links were engineered by "Orb" and if all goes well it will go into production soon. Understeer is a thing of the past, the front end just stuck like glue in the corners. The toe link keep the rear end under control during hard acceleration and cornering.

Parts used for the full M3 conversion:

* Koni Double Adjustable Dampers
* Vorshlag camber/caster plates, not completely noise free, but quiet enough for day to day use
* Custom toe links and brackets
* Custom Swift Springs with thrust bearings
* Full M3 front and rear control arm kit, anti roll bars, subframe bushings, and rear control arms.
* M3 front strut tower brace kit
* Hotchkis chassis brace
Attached Images
    
Appreciate 0
      05-05-2009, 11:09 PM   #2
ANedelka335i
Private First Class
3
Rep
175
Posts

Drives: 335i white/black
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: wayne pa

iTrader: (1)

how noisy are we talking about with the camber/caster plates?
Appreciate 0
      05-05-2009, 11:27 PM   #3
HP Autosport
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
490
Rep
11,673
Posts


Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Barbara, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag

iTrader: (31)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ANedelka335i View Post
how noisy are we talking about with the camber/caster plates?
Noisy is sort of subjective, what bothers me may not bother you. It is only noisy 10% of the time over very sharp bumps.
Appreciate 0
      05-06-2009, 04:15 AM   #4
andrew@southernBM
andrew@southernBM's Avatar
Australia
35
Rep
1,469
Posts

Drives: 135i, M3 92 SC'd, M235i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia.

iTrader: (0)

Kudo's to you for keep pushing development with the suspension set up for these cars . I have fitted the Vorshlag top plates but have no complaints about noise. The M3 upgrade arms i have fitted to the 135i transform the car as well. I like your Brake kit, is that a Stop tech kit? Do you stock them for all models or just 335i? Do they make a BBK for the 135i?
Appreciate 0
      05-06-2009, 10:20 AM   #5
HP Autosport
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
490
Rep
11,673
Posts


Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Barbara, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag

iTrader: (31)

Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew@southernBM View Post
Kudo's to you for keep pushing development with the suspension set up for these cars . I have fitted the Vorshlag top plates but have no complaints about noise. The M3 upgrade arms i have fitted to the 135i transform the car as well. I like your Brake kit, is that a Stop tech kit? Do you stock them for all models or just 335i? Do they make a BBK for the 135i?
Yes, that is the Stoptech kit. I have them for both the 135i, 335i, and other BMW models.
Appreciate 0
      05-06-2009, 03:48 PM   #6
stressdoc
Moderator
stressdoc's Avatar
Dominica
151
Rep
10,204
Posts

Drives: F80 YMB
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: MO

iTrader: (0)

How do the Konis compare to the ASTs?
Appreciate 0
      05-06-2009, 04:10 PM   #7
HP Autosport
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
490
Rep
11,673
Posts


Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Barbara, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag

iTrader: (31)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stressdoc View Post
How do the Konis compare to the ASTs?
Twin tube low pressure design, very good street manners, soft and comfortable ride. AST is ahigh pressure mono tube design, better control over sharp bumps and consistant damping without possibility of fade.
Appreciate 0
      05-06-2009, 04:40 PM   #8
Raz335
Major
15
Rep
1,103
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 Convertible
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: LI,NY

iTrader: (2)

Those Toe links are gorgeous. Good job by Orb. Great work on the suspension Harold.
__________________

Jerez Black/Fox E93 M3 - Prem 2/Cold/Conv/DCT/EDC/19's/Ext Lthr/Crbn Trim/Enhanced Sound/Sat
Mods- 20" BBS LM's DBK/Challenge Catback/Eibachs/Trim wrapped black/Lux Angel eyes/35% Tint
Appreciate 0
      05-07-2009, 06:01 PM   #9
scooby9
Major
scooby9's Avatar
Canada
17
Rep
1,120
Posts

Drives: 2007 E90 BMW 335xi
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

iTrader: (6)

Now you've got the M3 handling and the power/torque benefits of forced induction. The complete package! Awesome!
__________________
2007 BMW 335xi 6MT TiAg
Appreciate 0
      05-26-2009, 07:54 PM   #10
HP Autosport
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
490
Rep
11,673
Posts


Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Barbara, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag

iTrader: (31)

KW coilovers with Swift springs are possible now. Serious inquiries only please.

Last edited by HP Autosport; 05-27-2009 at 02:45 AM.
Appreciate 0
      05-26-2009, 08:13 PM   #11
kenneth
Major General
kenneth's Avatar
Canada
89
Rep
8,675
Posts

Drives: 335i Sedan
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (16)

So this setup uses the OEM sways? Would it work with the H&R sports and Koni Yellows?

Sorry if it is a stupid question.
__________________
SB, Terra, 6MT. Only a few mods here and there.....nothing extreme!
Appreciate 0
      05-26-2009, 08:29 PM   #12
longodj
Major
longodj's Avatar
United_States
26
Rep
1,288
Posts

Drives: 135i
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Rochester, NY

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2007 335xi  [0.00]
1974 VW Beetle  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to longodj
Harold or Orb, I think you should inform everyone what would be required to utilize Swift springs on coilovers we all already have installed like the KW V1,V2,V3.

What "modifications" are required to the spring seat? Would a competent race shop be able to perform this modification.

Is it OK to run a different damper in the rear than in the front? For instance for us XI guys, if we wanted to run one of the dampers available with the M3 camber link?
Appreciate 0
      05-27-2009, 02:46 AM   #13
HP Autosport
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
490
Rep
11,673
Posts


Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Barbara, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag

iTrader: (31)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
So this setup uses the OEM sways? Would it work with the H&R sports and Koni Yellows?

Sorry if it is a stupid question.
Yes, you will need Koni yellows for the M3 out back.

OEM M3 bars are used.
Appreciate 0
      05-27-2009, 09:53 PM   #14
Andy@SonicMS
Second Lieutenant
3
Rep
297
Posts

Drives: E92 335i
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: SonicMS - Mountain View, CA

iTrader: (0)

Looks amazing! Beautiful work as always.
Appreciate 0
      05-27-2009, 10:20 PM   #15
jbass524
Captain
19
Rep
985
Posts

Drives: 1995 E36 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Norcal

iTrader: (2)

My car has so far to go.
Appreciate 0
      05-28-2009, 02:43 PM   #16
fast_lap28
Lieutenant
fast_lap28's Avatar
United_States
10
Rep
494
Posts

Drives: '07 335i Montego
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Charlotte, NC

iTrader: (0)

so will a complete "packaged" setup like this be available for us in the near future??? I track mine 2-3 times a year with plenty of autox's in between so upgrading my suspension to something like this is a MUST.....
Appreciate 0
      05-28-2009, 03:36 PM   #17
HP Autosport
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
490
Rep
11,673
Posts


Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Barbara, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag

iTrader: (31)

Quote:
Originally Posted by fast_lap28 View Post
so will a complete "packaged" setup like this be available for us in the near future??? I track mine 2-3 times a year with plenty of autox's in between so upgrading my suspension to something like this is a MUST.....
It's available now!

All Koni Double Adjustables are in stock along with Swift springs and M3 rear lower camber links.

Harold
Appreciate 0
      05-28-2009, 03:37 PM   #18
zsapphire7
Colonel
zsapphire7's Avatar
United_States
41
Rep
2,327
Posts

Drives: 08 e92 M3
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: SF Bay Area

iTrader: (21)

any news on the testing for the toe links that Orb designed?
Appreciate 0
      05-28-2009, 03:38 PM   #19
HP Autosport
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
490
Rep
11,673
Posts


Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Barbara, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag

iTrader: (31)

Quote:
Originally Posted by zsapphire7 View Post
any news on the testing for the toe links that Orb designed?
Still undergo testing...
Appreciate 0
      06-01-2009, 06:50 AM   #20
marconi118
Captain
11
Rep
975
Posts

Drives: 06/07 e93 335i
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: europe

iTrader: (0)

Is it possible to install the M3 alu camber link without using the custom toe links?

I whould only use rear M3 dampers and springs (KW V3) with the M3 camber link on the 335i. Do I need to swap something else?


What do you think about bilstein PSS10 compared to KW V3? Bilstein in inversed high pressure big stem, kw v3 has small stem...
Appreciate 0
      06-01-2009, 02:45 PM   #21
HP Autosport
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
United_States
490
Rep
11,673
Posts


Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Santa Barbara, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag

iTrader: (31)

Quote:
Originally Posted by marconi118 View Post
Is it possible to install the M3 alu camber link without using the custom toe links?

I whould only use rear M3 dampers and springs (KW V3) with the M3 camber link on the 335i. Do I need to swap something else?


What do you think about bilstein PSS10 compared to KW V3? Bilstein in inversed high pressure big stem, kw v3 has small stem...
Yes, you can install M3 lower camber link without the toe links.

You will need the M3 rear dampers when converting to the M3 lower camber links. You will need the correct headlight verticle aim bracket only available through us with the purchase the the lower camber link conversion.

Bilstein gives a much stiffer ride compare to the KW's, not recommended by us.

Harold
Appreciate 0
      06-01-2009, 03:37 PM   #22
marconi118
Captain
11
Rep
975
Posts

Drives: 06/07 e93 335i
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: europe

iTrader: (0)

Harold, hi again and thanks for your quick answer.

Because I live in europe, i whould buy in the states only small and light things.

another question, is it direct bolt the front M3 coilovers (KW or BILSTEIN) on the 335i?
On the top I will use the M3 camber plate, so it will be fine but down will it fit the wheel carrier?

Will the springs of KW V3 M3 coilover be too stiff for 335i E93?

My plan is to use coilover kit for M3 on E93 335i
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:20 AM.




e90post
e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST