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No: It is not our civil war. 66 72.53%
Pending: We need further concrete evidence of chemical warfare. 6 6.59%
Yes: A couple cruise missiles are ok. That's about it though. 6 6.59%
Yes: Strike with significant impact. Hopefully it gets the job done : / 4 4.40%
Yes: Drop the hammer. Time to cripple their military and teach Syria a lesson they won't forget. 9 9.89%
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      09-04-2013, 08:29 PM   #45
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Then we have Reagan and his spending.... The 600 ship Navy, etc.

So yeah as I said, all politicians are a bunch of political clowns. What Clinton did doesn't disprove my point of the GOP not giving a shit about our spending problems until Obama got elected.....

I'm not going to defend how Clinton help setup the housing collapse. We haven't had a decently run government in a long time. It doesn't matter if the Republicans were in control or the Democrats. They all have been shit.
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To me it's like hearing 2 people discuss which is better
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How about the Arab league taking care of that one for once. We have to stop trying to "fix" other countries civil wars. We armed Iraq and fought them. We armed the Taliban and fought them, and we are about to arm the Syrian rebels (and terrorist), and we'll have to fight them in a couple of years... probably sooner. It's so fucking retarded.
The Arab lague is not taking sides, because they know both sides suck
This is not a case of ruthless dictator vs innocent civilians
This is a case of ruthless dictator vs radical Islamists
(and we're talking a lot more radical than the Muslim brotherhood that was in power in Egypt (with the USAs blessing)
with innocent civilians caught in the middle.

I believe it's called a cluster f&@$
And the last thing anyone sane would want, is to get involved in it
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I believe it's called a cluster f&@$
And the last thing anyone sane would want, is to get involved in it
This.

My opinion on what to do sways daily, but my gut says stay out of it.
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Don't know if anyone remembers, but there was talk (and witnesses) that said Sadaam Hussein smuggled his WMD's out of Iraq into Syria, in the 9 months between the UN talks and the US invasion. He also used gas on his people (Kurds). Maybe we have found Sadaam's WMD's?
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The Arab lague is not taking sides, because they know both sides suck
This is not a case of ruthless dictator vs innocent civilians
This is a case of ruthless dictator vs radical Islamists
(and we're talking a lot more radical than the Muslim brotherhood that was in power in Egypt (with the USAs blessing)
with innocent civilians caught in the middle.

I believe it's called a cluster f&@$
And the last thing anyone sane would want, is to get involved in it
I normally don't agree with Kmarel. But this time I have no choice as he is right on
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I normally don't agree with Kmarel. But this time I have no choice as he is right on
Same here. I usually disagree with what he says. But he is right here.
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I normally don't agree with Kmarel. But this time I have no choice as he is right on
Also agreed, although not entirely with the USA blessing thing. The PotUS may be supporting them, but I would think the overwhelming majority of the general population does not support the Muslim Brotherhood though. Unfortunately, our elected officials "speak for us" when it comes to these matters. Then again, it's not often that any politician (Dem or Rep) actually supports their constituents after being voted into office.

I can't find any polls for the thoughts of the American public on the Muslim Brotherhood, but I admit I haven't searched very much.
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Why get in the fight if there's no good-guy to support, and we have no real interests there? If there was ever a case to sit one out, this is it. Just give a little aid to the refugees and let them duke it out.
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Why get in the fight if there's no good-guy to support, and we have no real interests there? If there was ever a case to sit one out, this is it. Just give a little aid to the refugees and let them duke it out.
Stop making sense or the guys in the black helicopters will come for you.
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I tend to agree with everyone here. Getting involved with syria is a lost cause. We will only be dragged down. I would not be surprised if Putin was correct and the rebels were the ones who used gas and blamed it on Assad.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52928567/n.../#.Uij7ttKsh8E
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Why get in the fight if there's no good-guy to support, and we have no real interests there? If there was ever a case to sit one out, this is it. Just give a little aid to the refugees and let them duke it out.
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For real. If all the subjects in the country don't want any part of it, there is no political gain to have, nor any logistical gain by way of presence in a region, why do anything?

I totally can get on board if other countries unanimously take action, but without that alliance, there is no reason to step into the shit. Cause that's all we'll smell like when the dust settles.
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Why get in the fight if there's no good-guy to support, and we have no real interests there? If there was ever a case to sit one out, this is it. Just give a little aid to the refugees and let them duke it out.
The sad thing is the people of Syria are the good guys
But either way
They are getting f$&d

Now if you wanna impress me
Bomb bashar AND the rebels
And eliminate both
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The Arab lague is not taking sides, because they know both sides suck
This is not a case of ruthless dictator vs innocent civilians
This is a case of ruthless dictator vs radical Islamists
(and we're talking a lot more radical than the Muslim brotherhood that was in power in Egypt (with the USAs blessing)
with innocent civilians caught in the middle.

I believe it's called a cluster f&@$
And the last thing anyone sane would want, is to get involved in it
I agree - both sides are evil with innocent civilians caught in the middle. If we do attack, we should attack both sides. Otherwise, stay totally out of it.
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Posted this in another thread - lots of doubt if Assad actually did it, vs. the rebels:

http://<a href="http://www.infowars....l-weapons/</a>

And then this...:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/05/wo...syrian-rebels/
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Why get in the fight if there's no good-guy to support, and we have no real interests there? If there was ever a case to sit one out, this is it. Just give a little aid to the refugees and let them duke it out.
The sad thing is the people of Syria are the good guys
But either way
They are getting f$&d

Now if you wanna impress me
Bomb bashar AND the rebels
And eliminate both
I'd be down with that but it would be incredibly hard to tell the rebels from the civilians at several thousand feet in the air.

You'd run the risk of killing lots of civilians (and therefore turning many good guys into bad guys) or missing many rebels all together.
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Looks like a counter attack is already being organized.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...019210230.html
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Gotta love that Iraqi soldiers are fighting on Assad's side. I wonder if they're using U.S. supplied weapons and ammo. What a convoluted mess.
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Seriously, evacuate the embassies, turn off the light on the way out. Don't go back until the shooting stops.

This is such bullshit, the US gets blasted for being world police but i guarantee if we aren't, we'd get blasted for not doing anything.

Can you imagine the back lash if we stayed out of this and it escalated in all out war in the middle east? Or worse, go nuclear? The WHOLE world would blame the US for not intervening.
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Seriously, evacuate the embassies, turn off the light on the way out. Don't go back until the shooting stops.

This is such bullshit, the US gets blasted for being world police but i guarantee if we aren't, we'd get blasted for not doing anything.

Can you imagine the back lash if we stayed out of this and it escalated in all out war in the middle east? Or worse, go nuclear? The WHOLE world would blame the US for not intervening.
I agree with you 100%

GTFO and don't look back. This is a lose/lose situation and the politicians don't see it. Punish a few for killing a couple hundred which then results in the death of thousands. Doesn't make sense from any angle.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/07/politi...attack-videos/

I think we can all admit that chemical weapons are simply a complete different level of killing than normal close quarters combat.

Does this type of attack on a city that is "sympathetic" to the rebels deserve retaliation by outside forces? Do we have a duty as human beings to stand up to actions like this? It is easy to say, "stay out because the place is a shithole" but at the end of the day, these are men, woman and children. Many of which don't deserve what they got. Ask yourselves, is it our moral duty to do something about this?

Before you answer, at least watch the video.
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I think we can all admit that chemical weapons are simply a complete different level of killing than normal close quarters combat.
While I do agree with you
Bottom line is Assad bombed his own people, and used the military against them.
Killing 100,000 civilians (per the UN estimate)
But he kills around 1500 with chemical weapons, and all hell breaks loose

And yes I under stand we need to make an example of him, and to show the the use of chemical weapons is not tolerated.
But aren't we also saying that killing your own population with the army, including fighter jets is ok?
Or at least, it's tolerated, and won't get you the US middle east bombing special?
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