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      09-02-2013, 01:53 PM   #67
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Well of course you need to use it responsibly thats basically what I've been saying. You are looking for the negatives too much. You are biased lol.

I believe alcohol should be illegal, but if people choose to use it that is their choice. I do not drink because I know about the health problems it causes, and also most people that drink spend alot of time by the toilet. There is proof that alcohol is harmful. With all the studies that the government has done to show marijuana is harmful they have yet to come up with any real evidence. If I found any real proof that marijuana was harmful, I would stop using it.
I'm acknowledging them, someone has to. When you have people in this thread claiming marijuana smoke "can actually help your lungs because user tend to hold there deep breath longer and that helps increase the capacity of your lungs. I never seen anything saying it can cause cancer", someone has to be a voice of reason and bring us back to reality.

Again, you're going on with "government has tried to show they are harmful...". I just showed you two documents outlining the chemical make-up of marijuana smoke which shows it contains carcinogens. There are plenty of studies on the effects of marijuana use inhibiting learning and brain development. I like how none of that qualifies as "proof" but a youtube documentary is "proof" that it cures cancer. Do you see the double standard? This is what's known as Special Pleading.

To be clear, I don't think marijuana is overly harmful. Definitely, not more harmful than other things people do to themselves. But when you start professing that there are NO NEGATIVE effects at ALL and THAT IT CURES CANCER, you start losing support for your cause.

Marijuana and Alcohol can be dangerous if used irresponsibly. And I believe they should be legal. People should be able to use substances responsibly and assess the risks for themselves.
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The OP is a pot head, so of course he's in denial. He creates the same marijuana thread every few months, standing up on his soap box preaching how marijuana is the cure and the answer for everything from stress to an itchy scalp. The really sad thing is he's actually deluded himself to believe all of it is true.
What can I say, I am a modern hippie I guess.

I do not eat fast food, drink alcohol, put any chemicals in or on my body. I try to find natural organic alternatives for everything. I guess cannabis is my natural alternative to alcohol. I know somebody is going to mention the natural fallacy. I admit I did not know about that prior to making this thread. So I guess even this is a learning experience.

Even with the natural fallacy I still think nature is the best source for everything, there are just some things to avoid. Life was very well thought out and we were provided with some very useful plants.
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The OP is a pot head, so of course he's in denial. He creates the same marijuana thread every few months, standing up on his soap box preaching how marijuana is the cure and the answer for everything from stress to an itchy scalp. The really sad thing is he's actually deluded himself to believe all of it is true.
So this has happened before. My first go round for this topic. I'm in medicine so have some insight. Also had training in drug and alcohol dependence.
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What can I say, I am a modern hippie I guess.

I do not eat fast food, drink alcohol, put any chemicals in or on my body. I try to find natural organic alternatives for everything. I guess cannabis is my natural alternative to alcohol. I know somebody is going to mention the natural fallacy. I admit I did not know about that prior to making this thread. So I guess even this is a learning experience.

Even with the natural fallacy I still think nature is the best source for everything, there are just some things to avoid. Life was very well thought out and we were provided with some very useful plants.


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I'm acknowledging them, someone has to. When you have people in this thread claiming marijuana smoke "can actually help your lungs because user tend to hold there deep breath longer and that helps increase the capacity of your lungs. I never seen anything saying it can cause cancer", someone has to be a voice of reason and bring us back to reality.

Again, you're going on with "government has tried to show they are harmful...". I just showed you two documents outlining the chemical make-up of marijuana smoke which shows it contains carcinogens. There are plenty of studies on the effects of marijuana use inhibiting learning and brain development. I like how none of that qualifies as "proof" but a youtube documentary is "proof" that it cures cancer. Do you see the double standard? This is what's known as Special Pleading.

To be clear, I don't think marijuana is overly harmful. Definitely, not more harmful than other things people do to themselves. But when you start professing that there are NO NEGATIVE effects at ALL and THAT IT CURES CANCER, you start losing support for your cause.

Marijuana and Alcohol can be dangerous if used irresponsibly. And I believe they should be legal. People should be able to use substances responsibly and assess the risks for themselves.
The only flaw I found in what you showed me is that the cannabis was not organically grown.

I have seen countless stories on the internet about marijuana curing cancer and other ailments. I even showed you a few of them. Not sure if you even looked at any of them but I don't really care if you did. I've done alot of research on cancer, and on marijuana, even the endocannabinoid system. We still do not even really know all the functions of the endocanabinoid system. Why do we have cannabinoids in our body? What is their purpose? Could it be that these are in the body to help us?
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Life is extremely complicated and we do not know exactly how it happened or why we even exist. We know very little about the universe, or consciousness. Some scientists studying string theory say that the universe could be described with computer code. The fact that we are even here today to have this debate is amazing in itself.

Sure humans are smart, but we still know very little about life.
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The only flaw I found in what you showed me is that the cannabis was not organically grown.

I have seen countless stories on the internet about marijuana curing cancer and other ailments. I even showed you a few of them. Not sure if you even looked at any of them but I don't really care if you did. I've done alot of research on cancer, and on marijuana, even the endocannabinoid system. We still do not even really know all the functions of the endocanabinoid system. Why do we have cannabinoids in our body? What is their purpose? Could it be that these are in the body to help us?
Again, this is anecdotal evidence. See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

You should first become a skeptic.
You should read up on philosophy and epistemology to understand what "truth" is on how we go about determining what is true.
You should read up on science, understand the peer review system, why it's there and why it's important. Understand that it's a necessary but not sufficient part of the process.
You should read up on claims of ufo's/alien abductions, big foot, etc. Ask yourself if you believe those claims since they are supported primarily by anecdotal evidence.

In order to determine whether or not something is true or reliable (either scientifically or logically), you first need the tools to do so. If you don't acquire these tools, all you can do is leave the work to people who DO have those tools and trust their expert opinion. If you're not comfortable with that, you'll have to put in some work.
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Life is extremely complicated and we do not know exactly how it happened or why we even exist. We know very little about the universe, or consciousness. Some scientists studying string theory say that the universe could be described with computer code. The fact that we are even here today to have this debate is amazing in itself.

Sure humans are smart, but we still know very little about life.
The point I was making was life wasn't "thought out". Nature occurred naturally. All the evidence we have suggests this.
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Anecdotal evidence from the internet is not proof of a cure. You would probably find someone that says eating their own poop cures cancer. Doesn't mean it has any merit only that is what that person believes to be true. All kinds of nuts that drink their own urine thinking its good for them already.
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Again, this is anecdotal evidence. See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

You should first become a skeptic.
You should read up on philosophy and epistemology to understand what "truth" is on how we go about determining what is true.
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In order to determine whether or not something is true or reliable (either scientifically or logically), you first need the tools to do so. If you don't acquire these tools, all you can do is leave the work to people who DO have those tools and trust their expert opinion. If you're not comfortable with that, you'll have to put in some work.
Ok I get what your saying now.

According to the government's patent on cannabinoids, they are considered antioxidants. There is a possibility that cannabis can cure cancer. For most people there is enough evidence to say that it does. I am sure this will be mainstream in the future and you will have your evidence.
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Like the ufo and bigfoot reference. Spot on, this just in its confirmed and proven they exist! Next week bigfoot gets high and cures his own cancer.
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It might not cure cancer, but I don't think anyone here is gonna disagree that it's less harmful than smoking a cigarette (as millions do everyday, including myself...), and probably less harmful than alcohol as well. There is no question that it should be legal and I'm glad that the initiatives in Washington and Colorado succeeded and now enjoy Federal approval.


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Cough, cough. I'm in washington and dispensaries are springing up all over. Multiple friends growing. Not my thing but agree its safer than alcohol.
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Ok I get what your saying now.

According to the government's patent on cannabinoids, they are considered antioxidants. There is a possibility that cannabis can cure cancer.
So is orange juice. Also an antioxidant


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I have seen countless stories on the internet about marijuana curing cancer and other ailments.
Yes, stories....
You havent actually cured yourself or anybody else of cancer with marijuana....or did you?

I once read a story of a house in the woods completely made out of candy. So there must be candy houses in the woods......
I mean... I've read it so it's definately true....
Oh yes, there was also a which in that story.... So they are real too....


My advice: if you get cancer or any other serious condition: go to a doctor.
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Most plants are good for your health.
what about poison oak?
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what about poison oak?
smoke it and see. my guess is major respiratory distress possbile death but its natural so if it doesnt kill you then you have overcome nature and are stronger?
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smoke it and see. my guess is major respiratory distress possbile death but its natural so if it doesnt kill you then you have overcome nature and are stronger?
heard human feces was natural too...
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Anything that you smoke is bad for your lungs. They've been studies that it can cause lung cancer as much as cigarettes. There's no doubt that there are benefits to marijuana, but smoking it is not one.
There are other ways to get THC into the body rather than inhaling smoke.

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this thing is pointless everyone is going to have there own opion. so lets just agree to disagree if you smoke smoke up and if you dont well good for you.
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this thing is pointless everyone is going to have there own opion. so lets just agree to disagree if you smoke smoke up and if you dont well good for you.
+1. No point in fighting a pointless argument. Just enjoy life the way you enjoy it, live and let live.
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So is orange juice. Also an antioxidant




Yes, stories....
You havent actually cured yourself or anybody else of cancer with marijuana....or did you?

I once read a story of a house in the woods completely made out of candy. So there must be candy houses in the woods......
I mean... I've read it so it's definately true....
Oh yes, there was also a which in that story.... So they are real too....


My advice: if you get cancer or any other serious condition: go to a doctor.
When I worked in MI, my Matco Tool salesman was diagnosed with stage 2 lung cancer and got his medical card and extracted the THC and condensed it down into pill form. I don't know the details, but I went and visited him at home when he took a leave from work and his condition cleared away after 3 weeks.

When he went in and denied wanting care the hospital said he might have had a year to live. I talk to him on the phone to this day almost 3 years later.

Like I said, I don't know all the details of how he processed it, but they were small capsules about 3/4 full of the extract.

He sent the same information to my mechanic in the shop at the time for his mother. She couldn't get out of bed for anything, couldn't even feed herself. After about 2 weeks she began feeding herself. After 3 weeks she began walking. After 4 weeks he claimed it was like nothing ever happened.


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