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We live in a vicious world. It took about one hour before the Russians started gloating about the Navy Ship Yard massacre. Alexei Pushkov, chairman of a foreign affairs committee in the Russian Parliament tweeted: "A new shootout at Navy headquarters in Washington - a lone gunman ... nobody's surprised anymore. A clear confirmation of American exceptionalism."

The last line off Vladimir Putin's New York Times op-ed from last week says there is no such thing as "American exceptionalism."

Russia remains a bad country, full of internal corruption and, in its foreign policy, is supporting the worst elements on earth. Folks like the Syrian tyrant Assad and the murderous Mullahs in Iran can expect the full cooperation of Russia - along with all the arms they can buy.

Outrageous? You bet. But the sad truth is that the United States has largely lost the moral authority to call Russia out and the world knows it.

Much of America's problem lies within. We are living in a narcissistic age where millions of folks have withdrawn from life as we used to know it and fabricated a false world for themselves on the internet. Instead of experiencing life in its many natural forms, folks are now rejecting face-to-face social interaction, preferring to spend their time on machines.

According to his friends, the Navy yard killer, 34 year old Aaron Alexis, spent almost every night playing violent video games, isolating himself from reality. Then he apparently snapped. It will happen again.

With its emphasis on abundance, the United States has become a target of intense jealousy all over the world. Even poor Americans have conveniences many people overseas will never have. A recent study by the Census Bureau says the most poor Americans have color TVs, air conditioners, computers, cell phones, almost every modern convenience. Poverty is a serious situation and I don't mean to belittle it, but here in the USA the poor are better off than most other places on the planet, proving that democracy and capitalism do work.

But you'll never convince the anti-American people of that. Therefore any excuse to diminish this country will be seized by them. And we, the people are giving our foes tons of ammunition, so to speak. We continue to be a violent society with much of the carnage fueled by angry young men who lacked a father while growing up.

The only solution to the violence problem in America is a return to traditional parental involvement. This should be encouraged by every elected official. Also, the abandonment and neglect of children by their parents should have civil consequences. I mean who exactly is looking out for children who are ignored? The answer right now: No One!

America remains a great country, a place where most people have a decent chance at a successful life if they're honest and work hard. But we have lost our way when it comes to family matters.

And the bullets prove it.
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Much of America's problem lies within. We are living in a narcissistic age where millions of folks have withdrawn from life as we used to know it and fabricated a false world for themselves on the internet. Instead of experiencing life in its many natural forms, folks are now rejecting face-to-face social interaction, preferring to spend their time on machines.

According to his friends, the Navy yard killer, 34 year old Aaron Alexis, spent almost every night playing violent video games, isolating himself from reality. Then he apparently snapped. It will happen again.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...iend-says?lite

He had a service job (waiter) and had social interaction every day. This wasn't a guy who lived in the mountains with no external influence and had his mind warped by GTA. Sounded like he had issues with anger as well as some Trauma from 9/11.

As far as we know, those video games could have been an outlet for him, which ended up delaying the breakdown that was inevitable without proper treatment.

If the goal is to imply violent video games (or movies, music, etc) lead to violent behavior, there needs to be some kind of data to substantiate that. Otherwise, we have a troubled guy who played violent video games and did something awful contrasted by the millions of others who play violent video games and never act out violently in any way.

Maybe violent troubled people are prone to breakdowns and the video games they play are irrelevant.
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There's a lot here that I agree with, but your thoughts about the impact that an upbringing without a father has on kids is especially spot on.
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Oh please, all of those stats of color TVs and AC is because they're derived from comparisons to 3rd world shitholes. Compare it to the 1st world countries of the world, and it's a different story.
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We live in a vicious world. It took about one hour before the Russians started gloating about the Navy Ship Yard massacre. Alexei Pushkov, chairman of a foreign affairs committee in the Russian Parliament tweeted: "A new shootout at Navy headquarters in Washington - a lone gunman ... nobody's surprised anymore. A clear confirmation of American exceptionalism."
Fake. Russians never gloat about things like that. It is not part of the culture. In fact, gloating over something like that is a purely American trait, and a rather well-known one.

USA has a very long and well-established history of "dealing" with its own problems by creating a propaganda noise screen in which it accuses other countries of the same issues.

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Russia remains a bad country, full of internal corruption and, in its foreign policy, is supporting the worst elements on earth.
The world is not measured in absolutes. There are not "good" or "bad" countries. There are only "worse" or "better" countries and even that is arguable. What matters in this case is that USA is the worst country in the world, while Russia is the best one. And, despite all the recent progress, it is probably safe to say there's no hope of improvement in the US situation. The US regime has already passed the point of no return, after which it will never be able to evolve itself back into the human race. Under such catastrophically hopeless circumstances, it is not surprising to hear such propaganda rhetoric from the US regime towards the Civilized World countries.

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Folks like the Syrian tyrant Assad and the murderous Mullahs in Iran can expect the full cooperation of Russia - along with all the arms they can buy.
The US regime has fully established itself as the safe haven for terrorists and war criminals and devoted supporter and perpetrator of terrorism around the world right after the WWII. What always surprised me though that the corresponding propaganda rhetoric manufactured by the US has always been exceedingly primitive (i.e. along the lines of such keyword-laced drivel as "Syrian tyrant Assad" and "murderous Mullahs in Iran") even if one takes into account the fact that it is probably intended for internal consumption by virtually illiterate population.

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Outrageous? You bet. But the sad truth is that the United States has largely lost the moral authority to call Russia out and the world knows it.
"Largely lost"? USA has lost that moral authority sometime at the end of 1930's, when it decided to follow the path of Nazism together with its friends in Germany. By the middle of the 1960's, USA became unilaterally recognized as the direct heir of Nazi Germany. What "moral authority" could you be possibly talking about?

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Much of America's problem lies within. We are living in a narcissistic age where millions of folks have withdrawn from life as we used to know it and fabricated a false world for themselves on the internet.
You almost hit the nail on the head. The US regime is an indoctrinational regime, based fundamentally on breeding hordes of easily controllable lemmings, living inside a fabricated and heavily censored propaganda environment, completely isolated from the Free World. The historians and scientists agree that this system became fully established in 1960's - sometime in that time frame the indoctrinated population became a majority and the remaining normal humans became the minority. Today normal non-indoctrinated humans constitute about 5% of US population, mostly of relatively recent immigrant descent. Again, it happened in the 1960's. So it is not about "Internet". And it is not the world these people fabricated by themselves. American people are victims of the US regime (although one can argue that allowing this regime to flourish was the fault of the American people).

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With its emphasis on abundance, the United States has become a target of intense jealousy all over the world.
Lolwhat??? Just another popular propaganda myth.

In reality, on the lighter side of things, the world laughs at Americans. On the serious side, the world sees Americans with pity, since what has been done to them, what they have been bred into is a terrible, horrendous crime.

Unfortunately, we don't know how to help you. No one knows. Scientists believe that your children still can develop into normal human beings removed from the indoctrinating environment early. As for adults... sorry, there's no hope.

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Even poor Americans have conveniences many people overseas will never have. A recent study by the Census Bureau says the most poor Americans have color TVs, air conditioners, computers, cell phones, almost every modern convenience. Poverty is a serious situation and I don't mean to belittle it, but here in the USA the poor are better off than most other places on the planet, proving that democracy and capitalism do work.
False. USA has a few hot-spots with passable levels of life, but most of it lives far, far, far below the standards accepted, for example, in Europe and Russia. It is even laughable to compare.

"A recent study by the Census Bureau..." - in other words, another propaganda piece. The reality that a well-indoctrinated American carefully fails to see is that today one third of the US population rely on food stamps for survival. One third(!) Nowhere in the developed world such level of poverty exist. This is the grim and hopeless reality behind the Potemkin village of those "color TVs" and "computers" mentioned in your propaganda leaflets.

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But you'll never convince the anti-American people of that.
Of course, you don't. You said it yourself: living in "a fabricated a false world". You have to be born into that "fabricated a false world" and brought up inside that "fabricated a false world" to be able to believe into the BS manufactured by your handlers for your consumption.

People in the Free World just laugh at that. Of course, the official propaganda of regime calls them "anti-American".

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Therefore any excuse to diminish this country will be seized by them.
There's no way to "diminish" this country more than it has diminished itself already. It has deliberately sunk itself to the very bottom as the most "energy efficient" way of survival. And in fact, technically, it is a perfectly solid approach: it is indeed the cheapest, the most energy efficient way to exist. But we, human beings, we have certain standards that we devotedly stick to in our lives, even if it requires a bit of an effort. And until USA develops the ability to elevate itself to the standards of human society, it will continue to dwell on the bottom in full isolation.

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The only solution to the violence problem in America is a return to traditional parental involvement.
You are 50 years too late. As I said above, the point of no return was passed in 1960's. Today, 95% of the US population is that indoctrinated horde that can only breed more of that indoctrinated horde through the very "parental involvement" you are talking about.

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America remains a great country, a place where most people have a decent chance at a successful life if they're honest and work hard.
False. By large, only a foreign immigrant can achieve anything in USA through "being honest and working hard". With few exceptions, only a foreigner has the education, the skills and the mindset to do any real work, which is why they can achieve things by sticking to honest ways like working. Massive majority of those born and raised under the US regime have little or no education. Education in USA is replaced by indoctrination. It works well to manufacture devoted zealots of the regime, but it does not produce too many people who can actually do anything useful, i.e. work. Which is why the victims of the US regime have very little hope of achieving successful life by honest means.
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Fake. Russians never gloat about things like that. It is not part of the culture. In fact, gloating over something like that is a purely American trait, and a rather well-known one.

USA has a very long and well-established history of "dealing" with its own problems by creating a propaganda noise screen in which it accuses other countries of the same issues.



The world is not measured in absolutes. There are not "good" or "bad" countries. There are only "worse" or "better" countries and even that is arguable. What matters in this case is that USA is the worst country in the world, while Russia is the best one. And, despite all the recent progress, it is probably safe to say there's no hope of improvement in the US situation. The US regime has already passed the point of no return, after which it will never be able to evolve itself back into the human race. Under such catastrophically hopeless circumstances, it is not surprising to hear such propaganda rhetoric from the US regime towards the Civilized World countries.
You know when someone has completely biased beliefs is when they use absolutes like "Never and Purely" to describe countries they like and dislike and say in the very next paragraph that the world can not be measured in absolutes. Then labels a country as they like as Best and a country they don't like as the worst.

Your posts are full of what you've dreamed up and chose to believe rather than real world facts. Whats sad, for you, if people from the US and your so called "civilized world" get a chance to read your rhetoric, they all would likely think you were brain washed by the KGB in the 60s.

Good luck with opening anyone's eyes or changing anyone's opinion with your style of posts. Although i suspect you're not really trying to change anyone's opinion, but rather you are just trying to insult as many people as possible in hopes to get a rise out of someone in order to feed your obsession.

For a little while it seemed like you were making posts in an effort to be considered normal from a social aspect. But here you are taking a step backwards. Not only are you just completely off your rocker, but in real life i suspect you are the most socially awkward person there is. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't turn out to be the next whacko to go out and blast away at a crowd of innocent people with a Kalashnikov. Don't worry though, the media will call it an AR15.
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You know when someone has completely biased beliefs is when they use absolutes like "Never and Purely" to describe countries they like and dislike and say in the very next paragraph that the world can not be measured in absolutes. Then labels a country as they like as Best and a country they don't like as the worst.

Your posts are full of what you've dreamed up and chose to believe rather than real world facts. Whats sad, for you, if people from the US and your so called "civilized world" get a chance to read your rhetoric, they all would likely think you were brain washed by the KGB in the 60s.

Good luck with opening anyone's eyes or changing anyone's opinion with your style of posts. Although i suspect you're not really trying to change anyone's opinion, but rather you are just trying to insult as many people as possible in hopes to get a rise out of someone in order to feed your obsession.


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For a little while it seemed like you were making posts in an effort to be considered normal from a social aspect. But here you are taking a step backwards. Not only are you just completely off your rocker, but in real life i suspect you are the most socially awkward person there is. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't turn out to be the next whacko to go out and blast away at a crowd of innocent people with a Kalashnikov. Don't worry though, the media will call it an AR15.
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just curious. i'm really confused as to why there is so much violence here. in other first world countries with the same movies, video games, and family issues, there's a significant difference in murder rates. what gives?
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Fake. Russians never gloat about things like that. It is not part of the culture. In fact, gloating over something like that is a purely American trait, and a rather well-known one.

USA has a very long and well-established history of "dealing" with its own problems by creating a propaganda noise screen in which it accuses other countries of the same issues.



The world is not measured in absolutes. There are not "good" or "bad" countries. There are only "worse" or "better" countries and even that is arguable. What matters in this case is that USA is the worst country in the world, while Russia is the best one. And, despite all the recent progress, it is probably safe to say there's no hope of improvement in the US situation. The US regime has already passed the point of no return, after which it will never be able to evolve itself back into the human race. Under such catastrophically hopeless circumstances, it is not surprising to hear such propaganda rhetoric from the US regime towards the Civilized World countries.



The US regime has fully established itself as the safe haven for terrorists and war criminals and devoted supporter and perpetrator of terrorism around the world right after the WWII. What always surprised me though that the corresponding propaganda rhetoric manufactured by the US has always been exceedingly primitive (i.e. along the lines of such keyword-laced drivel as "Syrian tyrant Assad" and "murderous Mullahs in Iran") even if one takes into account the fact that it is probably intended for internal consumption by virtually illiterate population.



"Largely lost"? USA has lost that moral authority sometime at the end of 1930's, when it decided to follow the path of Nazism together with its friends in Germany. By the middle of the 1960's, USA became unilaterally recognized as the direct heir of Nazi Germany. What "moral authority" could you be possibly talking about?



You almost hit the nail on the head. The US regime is an indoctrinational regime, based fundamentally on breeding hordes of easily controllable lemmings, living inside a fabricated and heavily censored propaganda environment, completely isolated from the Free World. The historians and scientists agree that this system became fully established in 1960's - sometime in that time frame the indoctrinated population became a majority and the remaining normal humans became the minority. Today normal non-indoctrinated humans constitute about 5% of US population, mostly of relatively recent immigrant descent. Again, it happened in the 1960's. So it is not about "Internet". And it is not the world these people fabricated by themselves. American people are victims of the US regime (although one can argue that allowing this regime to flourish was the fault of the American people).



Lolwhat??? Just another popular propaganda myth.

In reality, on the lighter side of things, the world laughs at Americans. On the serious side, the world sees Americans with pity, since what has been done to them, what they have been bred into is a terrible, horrendous crime.

Unfortunately, we don't know how to help you. No one knows. Scientists believe that your children still can develop into normal human beings removed from the indoctrinating environment early. As for adults... sorry, there's no hope.



False. USA has a few hot-spots with passable levels of life, but most of it lives far, far, far below the standards accepted, for example, in Europe and Russia. It is even laughable to compare.

"A recent study by the Census Bureau..." - in other words, another propaganda piece. The reality that a well-indoctrinated American carefully fails to see is that today one third of the US population rely on food stamps for survival. One third(!) Nowhere in the developed world such level of poverty exist. This is the grim and hopeless reality behind the Potemkin village of those "color TVs" and "computers" mentioned in your propaganda leaflets.



Of course, you don't. You said it yourself: living in "a fabricated a false world". You have to be born into that "fabricated a false world" and brought up inside that "fabricated a false world" to be able to believe into the BS manufactured by your handlers for your consumption.

People in the Free World just laugh at that. Of course, the official propaganda of regime calls them "anti-American".



There's no way to "diminish" this country more than it has diminished itself already. It has deliberately sunk itself to the very bottom as the most "energy efficient" way of survival. And in fact, technically, it is a perfectly solid approach: it is indeed the cheapest, the most energy efficient way to exist. But we, human beings, we have certain standards that we devotedly stick to in our lives, even if it requires a bit of an effort. And until USA develops the ability to elevate itself to the standards of human society, it will continue to dwell on the bottom in full isolation.



You are 50 years too late. As I said above, the point of no return was passed in 1960's. Today, 95% of the US population is that indoctrinated horde that can only breed more of that indoctrinated horde through the very "parental involvement" you are talking about.



False. By large, only a foreign immigrant can achieve anything in USA through "being honest and working hard". With few exceptions, only a foreigner has the education, the skills and the mindset to do any real work, which is why they can achieve things by sticking to honest ways like working. Massive majority of those born and raised under the US regime have little or no education. Education in USA is replaced by indoctrination. It works well to manufacture devoted zealots of the regime, but it does not produce too many people who can actually do anything useful, i.e. work. Which is why the victims of the US regime have very little hope of achieving successful life by honest means.




Congratulations, once again you have robbed a poster of their topic and made the topic YOU.
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Fake. Russians never gloat about things like that. It is not part of the culture. In fact, gloating over something like that is a purely American trait, and a rather well-known one.

USA has a very long and well-established history of "dealing" with its own problems by creating a propaganda noise screen in which it accuses other countries of the same issues.



The world is not measured in absolutes. There are not "good" or "bad" countries. There are only "worse" or "better" countries and even that is arguable. What matters in this case is that USA is the worst country in the world, while Russia is the best one. And, despite all the recent progress, it is probably safe to say there's no hope of improvement in the US situation. The US regime has already passed the point of no return, after which it will never be able to evolve itself back into the human race. Under such catastrophically hopeless circumstances, it is not surprising to hear such propaganda rhetoric from the US regime towards the Civilized World countries.



The US regime has fully established itself as the safe haven for terrorists and war criminals and devoted supporter and perpetrator of terrorism around the world right after the WWII. What always surprised me though that the corresponding propaganda rhetoric manufactured by the US has always been exceedingly primitive (i.e. along the lines of such keyword-laced drivel as "Syrian tyrant Assad" and "murderous Mullahs in Iran") even if one takes into account the fact that it is probably intended for internal consumption by virtually illiterate population.



"Largely lost"? USA has lost that moral authority sometime at the end of 1930's, when it decided to follow the path of Nazism together with its friends in Germany. By the middle of the 1960's, USA became unilaterally recognized as the direct heir of Nazi Germany. What "moral authority" could you be possibly talking about?



You almost hit the nail on the head. The US regime is an indoctrinational regime, based fundamentally on breeding hordes of easily controllable lemmings, living inside a fabricated and heavily censored propaganda environment, completely isolated from the Free World. The historians and scientists agree that this system became fully established in 1960's - sometime in that time frame the indoctrinated population became a majority and the remaining normal humans became the minority. Today normal non-indoctrinated humans constitute about 5% of US population, mostly of relatively recent immigrant descent. Again, it happened in the 1960's. So it is not about "Internet". And it is not the world these people fabricated by themselves. American people are victims of the US regime (although one can argue that allowing this regime to flourish was the fault of the American people).



Lolwhat??? Just another popular propaganda myth.

In reality, on the lighter side of things, the world laughs at Americans. On the serious side, the world sees Americans with pity, since what has been done to them, what they have been bred into is a terrible, horrendous crime.

Unfortunately, we don't know how to help you. No one knows. Scientists believe that your children still can develop into normal human beings removed from the indoctrinating environment early. As for adults... sorry, there's no hope.



False. USA has a few hot-spots with passable levels of life, but most of it lives far, far, far below the standards accepted, for example, in Europe and Russia. It is even laughable to compare.

"A recent study by the Census Bureau..." - in other words, another propaganda piece. The reality that a well-indoctrinated American carefully fails to see is that today one third of the US population rely on food stamps for survival. One third(!) Nowhere in the developed world such level of poverty exist. This is the grim and hopeless reality behind the Potemkin village of those "color TVs" and "computers" mentioned in your propaganda leaflets.



Of course, you don't. You said it yourself: living in "a fabricated a false world". You have to be born into that "fabricated a false world" and brought up inside that "fabricated a false world" to be able to believe into the BS manufactured by your handlers for your consumption.

People in the Free World just laugh at that. Of course, the official propaganda of regime calls them "anti-American".



There's no way to "diminish" this country more than it has diminished itself already. It has deliberately sunk itself to the very bottom as the most "energy efficient" way of survival. And in fact, technically, it is a perfectly solid approach: it is indeed the cheapest, the most energy efficient way to exist. But we, human beings, we have certain standards that we devotedly stick to in our lives, even if it requires a bit of an effort. And until USA develops the ability to elevate itself to the standards of human society, it will continue to dwell on the bottom in full isolation.



You are 50 years too late. As I said above, the point of no return was passed in 1960's. Today, 95% of the US population is that indoctrinated horde that can only breed more of that indoctrinated horde through the very "parental involvement" you are talking about.



False. By large, only a foreign immigrant can achieve anything in USA through "being honest and working hard". With few exceptions, only a foreigner has the education, the skills and the mindset to do any real work, which is why they can achieve things by sticking to honest ways like working. Massive majority of those born and raised under the US regime have little or no education. Education in USA is replaced by indoctrination. It works well to manufacture devoted zealots of the regime, but it does not produce too many people who can actually do anything useful, i.e. work. Which is why the victims of the US regime have very little hope of achieving successful life by honest means.
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