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      09-26-2013, 05:22 PM   #1
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Diesel Airbus Crashes, Carbon Buildup?

You guys think you have it bad when a diesel car gets carbon buildup. Wait until you fly a new diesel Airbus...

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Not as dumb as it sounds, isn't Diesel fuel very similar to jet fuel? One would think that this has probably happened before without anyone ever noticing.
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Yeah. This is someone trying to be funny. Diesel and jet -a are essentially the same. A jet will easily burn diesel.
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I thought they ran on JP-5 fuel, maybe Im getting to old on this
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Yeah. This is someone trying to be funny. Diesel and jet -a are essentially the same. A jet will easily burn diesel.
Kerosene is diesel! Just very more refined and clean.
When I work as a AME a few years ago, we worked for a medium size airline company that had to pay another company to get rid of its old kerosene when we were purging the tanks. Lol instead of paying them, they asked their employees who had diesel car to take it. We were bringing 45 gallons on a trailer to bring it back home for our Tdi's
Lol that was very smart for us and them until they got caught by Transport Canada and were shut off permanently !!
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Jet fuel is diesel! Just very more refined and clean.
When I work as a AME a few years ago, we worked for a medium size airline company that had to pay another company to get rid of its old fuel when we were purging the tanks. Lol instead of paying them, they asked their employees who had diesel car to take it. We were bringing 45 gallons on a trailer to bring it back home for our Tdi's
Lol that was very smart for us and them until they got caught by Transport Canada and were shut off permanently !!
Well, that sucks for the employees, I doubt there is much wrong with using aviation jet fuel in cars. at over $4.00 a gallon now for diesel, that would be a bonus of almost $200 per trailer. But I would be a bit more concerned if they were using automotive diesel in jets.
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Jet fuel is diesel! Just very more refined and clean.
When I work as a AME a few years ago, we worked for a medium size airline company that had to pay another company to get rid of its old fuel when we were purging the tanks. Lol instead of paying them, they asked their employees who had diesel car to take it. We were bringing 45 gallons on a trailer to bring it back home for our Tdi's
Lol that was very smart for us and them until they got caught by Transport Canada and were shut off permanently !!
Jet fuel is not diesel.
Diesel is a heavier fuel, with a bit more energy density then jet fuel.
Jet fuel contains 12 carbon long hidrocarbon molecules while diesel carries 16 carbon long ones.

While diesel is a fuel for compression ignition engines, jet fuel can be used on compression or spark ignited engines.
Jet fuel on diesel engines will work but performance will suffer, while on gasoline engines it can improve output/fuel economy
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Jet fuel is diesel! Just very more refined and clean.
When I work as a AME a few years ago, we worked for a medium size airline company that had to pay another company to get rid of its old fuel when we were purging the tanks. Lol instead of paying them, they asked their employees who had diesel car to take it. We were bringing 45 gallons on a trailer to bring it back home for our Tdi's
Lol that was very smart for us and them until they got caught by Transport Canada and were shut off permanently !!
Jet fuel is not diesel.
Diesel is a heavier fuel, with a bit more energy density then jet fuel.
Jet fuel contains 12 carbon long hidrocarbon molecules while diesel carries 16 carbon long ones.

While diesel is a fuel for compression ignition engines, jet fuel can be used on compression or spark ignited engines.
Jet fuel on diesel engines will work but performance will suffer, while on gasoline engines it can improve output/fuel economy
My mistake.
I meant kerosene
Not jet fuel ! Thanks for the correction. The jet fuel was used in our race car (gasoline car)at the drag strip while the kerosene was given to diesel guys in the hangars.
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PR, JP-5 (Nato F-44) is closest to diesel, but still a partially wide-cut kerosene, not exactly the same as ASTM 975-spec D-2 Diesel, per se. JP-5 is used primarily on board naval vessels for fuelling aircraft and helicopters, and has a higher flashpoint than JP-4 (Jet B) which is a fully wide-cut kerosene. JP-8 (Nato F-34 or civvie Jet A/A-1) or JP-8 +100 (F-37) are narrow-cut kerosenes that are a balance between the stability and safety of a distillate fuel like diesel and a partial aromatic-content shorter-chain hydrocarbon. JP-8 is close enough to diesel that it can be used in multi-fuel capable vehicles, particularly military diesel-powered vehicles. JP-8 does not, however, have the same lubricity as diesel, even ULSD, so if used in diesel vehicles, requires additional additives to ensure no damage to the engine's fuel injection system result.

Having flown turbine-powered aircraft using diesel as an alternate fuel, I would be very surprised if the aircraft crashed due to being fuelled with D-2 diesel...turbofans/turboshafts run reasonably well, albeit a bit smokey, on diesel.

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Having flown turbine-powered aircraft using diesel as an alternate fuel, I would be very surprised if the aircraft crashed due to being fuelled with D-2 diesel...turbofans/turboshafts run reasonably well, albeit a bit smokey, on diesel.
Well, my mostly joking implication was that regularly using diesel in a jet could result in carbon buildup similar that found in automobile engines and thereby possibly cause a much worse incident than we will ever see in our cars.
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DNA thanks we used JP5 for Helos and Jets while I was in the NAVY for 20 years thats why I inquired about it, thanks amigo!!
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DNA thanks we used JP5 for Helos and Jets while I was in the NAVY for 20 years thats why I inquired about it, thanks amigo!!
De nada, PR! Some of my SH-3-flying buddies speak fondly of the smell of JP-5 that seemed to find its way on to all their gear.

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LOL...we just fly a bit lower!


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LOL...we just fly a bit lower!
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I wondered if anyone would pick up on JP7.
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I wondered if anyone would pick up on JP7.
So you are saying that I am buying this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-7 for $4.00 a gallon? Wow, what a deal.
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