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      10-22-2013, 09:09 AM   #45
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I have high hopes for Kimi next year. It'll be very interesting to see how Ferrari treats Alonso if Kimi wins the first two races right out of the box. Would they focus their efforts around Kimi?
Kimi's won the drivers title with Fezza, Alonso hasn't. I'd expect more support for Kimi anyway. Of course they're Italian, so that won't be the way it happens.
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But the first thing is Ferrari not to trip over their own feet.
The technical and development for the car has been very poor for the last few years.
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But really, where would he be without Adrian Newey?
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And where would Adrian Newey be without Vettel? The answer is simple, look at Webber's results - exactly zero championships.
I like this answer. Nothing else can be said...
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I like this answer. Nothing else can be said...
I removed my post to amend it slightly but you were too fast.

I was going to add that his cars have won championships, however during his Red Bull tenure, he would have zero championships without Vettel. His designs were certainly dominant in the 90s but they were also in the hands of world class driving talent (Mansell, Prost, Hill, et al). So unless you also want to poo-poo the talents of those other drivers, the Vettel critics are being incredibly hypocritical.
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To counter the last few posts, yes Newey's designs are successful in conjunction with talented drivers however it could be argued that the technology that goes into making a car competitive has a greater influence than it may have had before.
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      10-24-2013, 07:58 AM   #52
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To counter the last few posts, yes Newey's designs are successful in conjunction with talented drivers however it could be argued that the technology that goes into making a car competitive has a greater influence than it may have had before.
Sure, but Newey an aerodynamicist. People are attributing the team success solely to Newey, however Newey's role is to make the car slick through the air. In that respect, Webber and Vettel have the same input from the man. I'm not saying that technology hasn't played a role, but I'm not sure that it's really Newey who is coming up with said technology.
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To counter the last few posts, yes Newey's designs are successful in conjunction with talented drivers however it could be argued that the technology that goes into making a car competitive has a greater influence than it may have had before.
Are we forgetting there are about 600 people on the payroll? It's more than AD.
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But really, where would he be without Adrian Newey?
Ok troll. Whatever u say
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      10-24-2013, 09:28 AM   #55
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I like this answer. Nothing else can be said...
Yea, that's a great answer. I personally like Vettel because he came from BMW (weak reason, I understand), but I certainly hope it's much closer between the top 3 teams.

While he may not be like Alonso, you can't help but respect the perfectionist that Vettel is.
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Ok troll. Whatever u say
Troll? I bring up the fact that Adrian Newey is a large part of his success and that makes me a troll? Give me a break. Even Mario Andretti has said Adrian Newey is a big factor.
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Troll? I bring up the fact that Adrian Newey is a large part of his success and that makes me a troll? Give me a break. Even Mario Andretti has said Adrian Newey is a big factor.
Andretti is your trusted source of F1 knowledge? Listening to him during the race broadcast he participated in made me realize that he officially knows nothing about the sport in its modern form.
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who's won the most? anyone know?
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who's won the most? anyone know?
Nobody knows... it's one of lifes great mysteries.
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So, if Vettel won his championships with Newey designed chassis. He's not a worthy champion?
How about Prost, Mansell, Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen? They've all won with Newey's car back in 90's.

Like I said in many other posts, he is part of the RBR success, perhaps in quite significant percentage. But I don't get why we need to dis-credit Vettel's effort? He managed to get the most out of the car.

Yes he drove away into the sunset and have several comfortable wins. Don't forget the effort contributed by the 600+ people from Milton Keyes, and impeccable team effort with error-free pitstops, and a working strategy. Even with the randomness of Pirelli tires, RBR and Vettel still managed to win three consecutive champions.

Again, not a Vettel or RBR fan. But I don't think they got the credit they've deserved.

Funny thing said by Horner a few weeks ago. Several years ago people think RBR is just a partying team and not being serious. Now they got serious and starts winning, they're being criticized again. Well, its hard to please everyone.
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If you were watching the BBC over the Japanese Grand Prix weekend, you may have seen me highlighting something that had become apparent from the thermal-imaging cameras that were mounted on the Red Bull.

This camera pointed rearwards from the side of the nose to the forward part of the underfloor and showed that the front part of the floor under the driver's legs - what is known in F1 as the 'tea tray' - was getting hot at relatively low speed.

This is unusual, because F1 cars have a 'plank' made of high-density wood mounted along the length of the floor to control ride height. If this wears by more than 1mm over a race distance, the car is disqualified.

Normally, if the plank is touching the ground at the speed the Red Bull was doing, this would lead to it wearing too much in the race.

The plank is protected by skid plates but they are limited to a maximum surface area which is quite small and it is actually this component that we see getting hot.

I think I have worked out another potentially very clever tweak that Red Bull might just be exploiting.

Every car has a 'stay' between the raised bottom of the chassis and the tea-tray to ensure the floor can pass the FIA's mandatory upwards deflection tests, which are in place to stop teams designing the floor to be flexible in that area.

But if the floor can be made to 'flex' upwards as the car increases in speed then it will give an aerodynamic advantage because it allows teams to run the car lower overall.

If Red Bull have found a way to lift the 'tea tray' away from the track as it gets hot, that will enable them to run a lower front ride-height at low speeds, and will mean a more constant gap from the 'tea tray' to the ground through a wider range of vehicle speeds.

Normally, that would not be possible, because the extra downforce created as the car speeds up would push the car down and wear the plank too much.
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Interesting, good read.
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But four titles? This is legend stuff here. If he doesn't win a title ever again his title will always be 4 times F1-KERS world champion. Hats off to Vettel. Amazing!
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Gary only wishes he knew what Adrian & Co are up to. It's all speculation, and the key point is that even IF any of this conjecture were true, other teams would have to base their ENTIRE car around it - from scratch... So it wouldn't work for them.
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But really, where would he be without Adrian Newey?
Doing as well as Williams?
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