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      10-29-2013, 12:05 PM   #1
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Tesla S - any chance?

I am current owner of a loaded 335i. After looking at the advertised features of the Tesla Model S, it is becoming attractive to me.

For those of you who have actually test-driven the Tesla or own it, what do you think is the handling like compared to the 3-series? I know it's a very heavy car (heavier than a Honda Pilot SUV) but are the suspension magic working for you? They also claimed 50-50 weight distribution.
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All I know is that here in Canada it costs as much as an Audi R8 or Corvette ZR1. And that's all I need to know to turn around, walk away, and never look back.
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It's not for a driving enthusiast. 0-60 in 4.X seconds who cares. That's weak compared to the new offerings from Merc, BMW and Audi. And how many end up at the track?

It's for soccer moms that want something different and guys that were tricked into thinking it's fast.

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How many soccer moms have $130k to drop on a car though? I like the Model S, and the futuristic stying and interior. But I just can't get over the ridiculous asking price. What's wrong with a Volt or a Leaf instead? I think the Model S is geared towards the Hollywood types of rich, hip people who wanna look cool while driving around and also give the image that they are all "green" and environmentally friendly (even though they have a larger carbon footprint than a small country).

I think the high sales are just due to the hype of that car being the next "cool" thing and the latest fanciest thing on the market, and the craze will eventually die down and sales will plummet. I just don't see a very big market for an electric car that costs 3 times the average annual income of the car-buying public.
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How many soccer moms have $130k to drop on a car though? I like the Model S, and the futuristic stying and interior. But I just can't get over the ridiculous asking price. What's wrong with a Volt or a Leaf instead? I think the Model S is geared towards the Hollywood types of rich, hip people who wanna look cool while driving around and also give the image that they are all "green" and environmentally friendly (even though they have a larger carbon footprint than a small country).

I think the high sales are just due to the hype of that car being the next "cool" thing and the latest fanciest thing on the market, and the craze will eventually die down and sales will plummet. I just don't see a very big market for an electric car that costs 3 times the average annual income of the car-buying public.
I live in South Orange County and the cars people drive here are rediculous. The Tesla is the new soccer mom car.
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As said above, the car is out of reach for those really trying to make a difference.
Beverly Hills Von Dutch version of electric cars.

Btw. Those idiotic Von Dutch hats were ugly.
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Tons of them here in Bay Area. But then again, they are made here lol.

They look great, and I think there's a fairly good financing/leasing deal going on those right now.
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If you don't drive a lot you can get base 60kW model for $70K+. Don't have spend $130k like everyone complaints. I heard they drive amazing due to the low center of gravity - super heavy battery pack like 10" from the ground, plus that instant electric torque...
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What's wrong with a Volt or a Leaf instead?
I drive a Volt, and there isn't anything wrong with it. It's a fantastic car. I love 'filling up' every time I get home. It costs me ~56 cents per day to drive ~35 miles roundtrip (7 cents per KWh here).

I have also had the opportunity to drive the Tesla S Performance. What a car!

There isn't much comparison between the Volt and Tesla S, other than they're both Electric. Comparing the two and asking why someone would take one over the other is like comparing an Accord to an M5. They're different vehicles with different targets. Both are comfortable passenger cars, but one puts around, and the other is a rocket. A sub-5 second 0-60 in a big passenger car is pretty damn quick. The Tesla puts down near CTS-V 0-60 times. Anyone see the video where it pulls from a dig and a roll on the Aston Martin 4-door?

It handles incredibly well for it's size, though I am no track junkie so take that for what it's worth.

The interior is great too. It may lack some of the materials of a 100k Mercedes, but the infotainment center is far superior than anything I've encountered. It's a 17" screen that controls EVERYTHING.

Find a showroom and check one out. Anyone who is looking at the Leaf or Volt, and then comparing it to the Tesla S isn't seeing anything past the electric motor similarities. An Accord and an M5 both have ICE powertrains, both seat 4+ adults, etc, but are they really that similar? Not in my opinion, and neither is the Leaf/Volt and the Tesla S.

And again, I love my Volt.
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As said above, the car is out of reach for those really trying to make a difference.
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Not sure it's any more out of reach than a well-equipped Mercedes sedan of equal size.
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I live in South Orange County and the cars people drive here are rediculous. The Tesla is the new soccer mom car.
I live in LA and M3's are Teen starter cars.
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Not sure it's any more out of reach than a well-equipped Mercedes sedan of equal size.
I did not intend to knock the Tesla. The demographic that can shell out 100-130 on a vehicle has tons of choices and it is their choice.
It just rubs me funny that an expensive E is the "it" car to be cool in.
I say "be cool" very loosely.
Thinking they are doing something all positive and what not.
Go help out at an animal shelter or feed the hungry agency.
That makes me feel good...but not cool.

Just not a fad kind of guy I suppose.

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I did not intend to knock the Tesla. The demographic that can shell out 100-130 on a vehicle has tons of choices and it is their choice.
It just rubs me funny that an expensive E is the "it" car to be cool in.
I say "be cool" very loosely.
Thinking they are doing something all positive and what not.
Go help out at an animal shelter or feed the hungry agency.
That makes me feel good...but not cool.

Just not a fad kind of guy I suppose.


It's just so damn hilarious seeing the well heeled gazillionaires driving those electric cars feeling good about themselves and thinking they solved global warming and saved the environment. And then they hop onto their fuel-guzzling private jet and fly half way across the planet to party in Monaco and sail around in fuel-guzzling luxury yachts and attend late night cocktail parties that consume more electricity than a small city in Africa. And then go home to sleep in an enormous mansion with heated climate controlled AC, heated showers, heated swimming pools, et. The irony seems to be lost on them

But hey, if they feel less guilty by trading in their Range Rover or Rolls Royce Phantom for a Model S, more power to them I guess.
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I drive a Volt, and there isn't anything wrong with it. It's a fantastic car. I love 'filling up' every time I get home. It costs me ~56 cents per day to drive ~35 miles roundtrip (7 cents per KWh here).

I have also had the opportunity to drive the Tesla S Performance. What a car!

There isn't much comparison between the Volt and Tesla S, other than they're both Electric. Comparing the two and asking why someone would take one over the other is like comparing an Accord to an M5. They're different vehicles with different targets. Both are comfortable passenger cars, but one puts around, and the other is a rocket. A sub-5 second 0-60 in a big passenger car is pretty damn quick. The Tesla puts down near CTS-V 0-60 times. Anyone see the video where it pulls from a dig and a roll on the Aston Martin 4-door?

It handles incredibly well for it's size, though I am no track junkie so take that for what it's worth.

The interior is great too. It may lack some of the materials of a 100k Mercedes, but the infotainment center is far superior than anything I've encountered. It's a 17" screen that controls EVERYTHING.

Find a showroom and check one out. Anyone who is looking at the Leaf or Volt, and then comparing it to the Tesla S isn't seeing anything past the electric motor similarities. An Accord and an M5 both have ICE powertrains, both seat 4+ adults, etc, but are they really that similar? Not in my opinion, and neither is the Leaf/Volt and the Tesla S.

And again, I love my Volt.
You make very good points. But you missed the gist of my argument. I was thinking about it more from a logical and economic sense. I guess some people drive electric cars to protect the environment (never mind all the not so environmentally friendly toxic heavy metals that have to be used to make those huge batteries). But another big reason people drive electric cars is to save money and cut down on their fuel bills. Yes a Volt or Leaf aren't exactly very cheap, but with generous government subsidies and tax breaks, in addition to the savings in fuel costs they end up cheaper than an equivalent gasoline-powered car. But the Tesla Model S just doesn't make any sense to me in terms of logic and economics.

I guess I'm just trying to understand the rationale and the target market for a $130000 electric car. What's wrong with an M5, E63 AMG, or Panamera? All of these are rather good family cars that are still cheaper than the Model S. And they handle better too. Or are millionaires' consciences so troubled by driving a gas guzzling Merc or Porsche?
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I guess I'm just trying to understand the rationale and the target market for a $130000 electric car. What's wrong with an M5, E63 AMG, or Panamera? All of these are rather good family cars that are still cheaper than the Model S. And they handle better too. Or are millionaires' consciences so troubled by driving a gas guzzling Merc or Porsche?
Yes but even being cheaper, none of those cars really make any economic sense either. And 130k is really pushing it for the Telsa S. You can get into the top model less. If you're going just for electric AND efficiency then yeah, a Leaf or Volt would be better. At 100k you're generally the type shopping for an M5+ anyways. The efficiency of the Tesla is the icing on the cake. The fact that it's a big luxury car that hauls balls is the selling point. Consider for a second if the Tesla wasn't an electric car. For its performance and features would it really be priced THAT far out from where it's at now? Not really . . .
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greatest car ever made


took a test ride in one and it was amazing.... it was only the 60kw and it was incredibly quick


my heart always starts beating fast whenever i see one



you can configure a 60kw with the main options, tech package, air suspension, and other personal preferences like upgraded rims and pano room for around 80k



if you aren't in the market for that then i highly recommend getting a volt, but do not get a leaf lol






and how is anybody against tesla? i dont get it, how can you dislike it? Elon is the greatest man alive and the model is the greatest car ever made, every single model s owner paves the way for a cheaper tesla in the near future, these complaints are pretty funny




never be biased just because you like bmw's, i love bmw's and hundreds of other cars but im not biased towards other competitor cars, there is no car on the market like the model s, how could anyone not like it you would think every person would be in love with it (which is majority of people)



if you want to talk about negative stuff then lets talk about the super low electric range in the i8, and for the price it is? you can get a fully loaded model s for 20k less if your gonna spend that type of money

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Can't agree more, Tesla S is a marvel




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took a test ride in one and it was amazing.... it was only the 60kw and it was incredibly quick


my heart always starts beating fast whenever i see one



you can configure a 60kw with the main options, tech package, air suspension, and other personal preferences like upgraded rims and pano room for around 80k



if you aren't in the market for that then i highly recommend getting a volt, but do not get a leaf lol






and how is anybody against tesla? i dont get it, how can you dislike it? Elon is the greatest man alive and the model is the greatest car ever made, every single model s owner paves the way for a cheaper tesla in the near future, these complaints are pretty funny




never be biased just because you like bmw's, i love bmw's and hundreds of other cars but im not biased towards other competitor cars, there is no car on the market like the model s, how could anyone not like it you would think every person would be in love with it (which is majority of people)



if you want to talk about negative stuff then lets talk about the super low electric range in the i8, and for the price it is? you can get a fully loaded model s for 20k less if your gonna spend that type of money
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I am confused are you buying Tesla S for fuel economy, and fast acceleration or are you looking for a great performance sedan.

Because if you are looking for a great well rounded performance sedan then Tesla S is the wrong car. For that type of price you should be looking at CTS-V, M5, E class AMG, or S6.

Now if you are looking for fuel economy, and fast acceleration then Tesla is a a very nice car. Just dont expect it to handle real well or at least on par with like of M5's, E AMG, CTS-V, and S6. The regenerative brakes makes the pedal non linear and wooden. The EPS in electric car tends to be even worse and more numb in general, and the car is designed with green in mind not performance. You want to buy a performance sedan buy an M5 right now some 2013 model are selling for 10K-12K discount.

I have a Optima hybrid at home that gets 36 mpg in Houston traffic and has unlimited range. No need to go insane looking for a plug and driving from plug to plug with range anxiety. It also looks stylish has plenty of room in back seats for 3. It has half the speed of Tesla S for 1/3 - 1/6 th the price of Tesla S depending which model of Tesla are you going for. The Optima hybrid comes with 10 year/100K warranty and cheap maintenance compared to BMW. The material fit and finish is very decent for the price and plenty of standard features.

The Optima hybrid is no performance machine nor a what we call a drivers car. Then again that is not its purpose or design. For that I have a tuned E92.


Anyways just my 2 cents





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I am current owner of a loaded 335i. After looking at the advertised features of the Tesla Model S, it is becoming attractive to me.

For those of you who have actually test-driven the Tesla or own it, what do you think is the handling like compared to the 3-series? I know it's a very heavy car (heavier than a Honda Pilot SUV) but are the suspension magic working for you? They also claimed 50-50 weight distribution.
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greatest car ever made


took a test ride in one and it was amazing.... it was only the 60kw and it was incredibly quick


my heart always starts beating fast whenever i see one



you can configure a 60kw with the main options, tech package, air suspension, and other personal preferences like upgraded rims and pano room for around 80k



if you aren't in the market for that then i highly recommend getting a volt, but do not get a leaf lol






and how is anybody against tesla? i dont get it, how can you dislike it? Elon is the greatest man alive and the model is the greatest car ever made, every single model s owner paves the way for a cheaper tesla in the near future, these complaints are pretty funny




never be biased just because you like bmw's, i love bmw's and hundreds of other cars but im not biased towards other competitor cars, there is no car on the market like the model s, how could anyone not like it you would think every person would be in love with it (which is majority of people)



if you want to talk about negative stuff then lets talk about the super low electric range in the i8, and for the price it is? you can get a fully loaded model s for 20k less if your gonna spend that type of money
lol someone's butthurt over a lil debate
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I am confused are you buying Tesla S for fuel economy, and fast acceleration or are you looking for a great performance sedan.

Because if you are looking for a great well rounded performance sedan then Tesla S is the wrong car. For that type of price you should be looking at CTS-V, M5, E class AMG, or S6.

Now if you are looking for fuel economy, and fast acceleration then Tesla is a a very nice car. Just dont expect it to handle real well or at least on par with like of M5's, E AMG, CTS-V, and S6. The regenerative brakes makes the pedal non linear and wooden. The EPS in electric car tends to be even worse and more numb in general, and the car is designed with green in mind not performance. You want to buy a performance sedan buy an M5 right now some 2013 model are selling for 10K-12K discount.

I have a Optima hybrid at home that gets 36 mpg in Houston traffic and has unlimited range. No need to go insane looking for a plug and driving from plug to plug with range anxiety. It also looks stylish has plenty of room in back seats for 3. It has half the speed of Tesla S for 1/3 - 1/6 th the price of Tesla S depending which model of Tesla are you going for. The Optima hybrid comes with 10 year/100K warranty and cheap maintenance compared to BMW. The material fit and finish is very decent for the price and plenty of standard features.

The Optima hybrid is no performance machine nor a what we call a drivers car. Then again that is not its purpose or design. For that I have a tuned E92.


Anyways just my 2 cents
I'd like to see one around a track with its magnetic suspension and low center of gravity. May not handle as well as an M5, but man, it sure accelerates like one . . .



This why I disagree about the Tesla S NOT being a performance sedan. I believe it is.
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Brilliant car. If they made a Model S coupe the size of a 4 or 6-Series, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

LOL at the moronic posts above.
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Nice. Few more pics?

Did not mean to rag on people in general that are buying these.
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I just pictured that Ashton fella in one with a cap on sideways.
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