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      11-13-2013, 03:08 PM   #1
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Hard to start... Not the battery

Hey all -
Since the weather has begun to cool off it's becoming more difficult to wake my car up in the morning to head to work. I assumed that it was due to a weak battery so I had it replaced yesterday but when I went to start it this morning I ran into the same problem. I got the dreaded, click-click-click, rather than the engine turning over. I pushed the button a second time and it fired up but I don't know how long I want to play roulette with this beast and have her leave me stranded. Does this sound like the starter to you guys?
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      11-13-2013, 03:16 PM   #2
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In the context of other cars it sure does sound like the starter.

Still new to BMW's so I can't say for sure though.
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      11-13-2013, 03:45 PM   #3
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Hey all -
Since the weather has begun to cool off it's becoming more difficult to wake my car up in the morning to head to work. I assumed that it was due to a weak battery so I had it replaced yesterday but when I went to start it this morning I ran into the same problem. I got the dreaded, click-click-click, rather than the engine turning over. I pushed the button a second time and it fired up but I don't know how long I want to play roulette with this beast and have her leave me stranded. Does this sound like the starter to you guys?
Please tell me you kept your old/original battery (If you didn't... please call up the place and see if they still have it and if you can BUY IT BACK. You can have them do a DEEP cycle charge on the old battery just to keep as a spare)? Do you remember what the spec's were on the label on the top of the original car battery? Was the original battery plastic housing white in color or black in color?

Old/Original Battery label specs:
AH:
RC:
CA:
CCA:


Can you provide a link to which battery you replaced it with?

Did you register the new battery?
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      11-13-2013, 04:14 PM   #4
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In the context of other cars it sure does sound like the starter.

Still new to BMW's so I can't say for sure though.
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It can be a loose connection I would check if its put on perfectly. I would then drive to autozone and check if its your alternator. If thats not it then your starter is on its way out. A starter at an INDY is around 5-600 with labor. A battery is around 150-250. I hope you got it registered if your planning on keeping it. Do a search the dealer or reputable bmw shops can do this.
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      11-13-2013, 05:09 PM   #6
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Sounds like a bad starter solenoid, bad starter (dirty brushes) or you have electrical poor contacts somewhere.
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If you had the original battery is a good idea to get a new one anyways, but if you already replaced your battery and issue still going us most likely your starter.

DId you make sure you replace it with same battery and batt specs? If your battery was white make sure is an acid lead one and not AGM kind.

If it was black then most likely is AGM. registration is needed.
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I was going to say that it's normal (at least as far as I know) to have longer cranks when the weather is cold out, but the way you described it with clicking, that's another issue...

Otherwise seems like others are offering good advice. Subscribing just for general info and to learn more.
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Please tell me you kept your old/original battery (If you didn't... please call up the place and see if they still have it and if you can BUY IT BACK. You can have them do a DEEP cycle charge on the old battery just to keep as a spare)?
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Easiest way to check the alternator is unplug the ground while car is running and if it turns off its the alternator
I was told that on all modern cars after 1990, this is a very bad thing to do.

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I was told that on all modern cars after 1990, this is a very bad thing to do.

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Ya don't do that on a modern car let alone a newer BMW.
Buy a multimeter and get to testing instead of doing a test that you would do on a 1957 chevy.
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Easiest way to check the alternator is unplug the ground while car is running and if it turns off its the alternator
Here, I fixed your statement for you:

"Easiest way to **FRY THE ELECTRONICS** is unplug the ground while car is running and if it turns off its the alternator"

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DO NOT unplug the battery with the engine is running. It causes voltage spikes up to 20 volts. You will kill modules in your car. Get a voltmeter. Most likely your starter is going out or you have a shit battery. Small chance of having a bad connection somewhere.
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Here's a little update on my situation. The battery was replaced by BMW so yes, it's registered but that wasn't the problem. The hard starts came and went for the last two weeks until yesterday... when my starter finally shot crap. I had it towed to a local shop that specializes in german cars and they verified what I already knew. I thought about attempting the replacement myself but I don't really feel like ripping apart my car only to find myself in over my head. Cost out the door is ~$800 parts and labor. I'm sure that it's far better than I would have fared at the dealership.
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Im in the same boat as you man, although im going to attempt it myself, a starter can be had for like 160ish from advance auto...

my car slow cranks in the cold am but always does start.
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Im in the same boat as you man, although im going to attempt it myself, a starter can be had for like 160ish from advance auto...

my car slow cranks in the cold am but always does start.
Same. Starting to get really long cranks during the cold. It didn't start 1 time, but I waited about 20 minutes and it started up!

I'll start shopping for parts. I've already changed the spark plugs, does anyone know what else I should change while I have my mechanic replace the starter?
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Its not. think about it when you start your car it runs on the alternator using the belts and motor to keep the car going not the battery. The battery is used for the initial start up of the car and if needed any little juice the alternator isn't giving such as when someone upgrades their stereo. And im not saying drive around the block and check if your car dies if its the alternator it will shut off right away.
Can you post up a youtube video of you doing this on your car? I want to see how this is done
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Can you post up a youtube video of you doing this on your car? I want to see how this is done
Don't Do This to Your Car
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When mine clicked it was the starter.
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