123D Review - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

scotw · 10-28-2007, 11:27 AM

The Times has a review of the 123D coupe today. What's interesting is although he doesn't like the car that much, he loved the engine.

Has raised a good point, when will the new engine make it to the 3 series? Anyone know, suspect or want to take a guess?

dxb335d · 10-28-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by scotw

The Times has a review of the 123D coupe today. What's interesting is although he doesn't like the car that much, he loved the engine.

Has raises a good point, when will the new engine make it to the 3 series? Anyone know, suspect or want to take a guess?

i dont think it will, the standard altho not as powerful 320d fills that slot nicely

Carlos

Dave_3 · 10-28-2007, 12:00 PM

The low emissions and stunning economy are maybe more important to prospective customers than BHP, Carl.

The engine sounds a beaut. In the 1 coupe looks like a winner. Hard to fault ...

D.

dxb335d · 10-28-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_3

The low emissions and stunning economy are maybe more important to prospective customers than BHP, Carl.

The engine sounds a beaut. In the 1 coupe looks like a winner. Hard to fault ...

D.

do you think they will bother putting it in the three tho? i dont think so?!

mikem · 10-28-2007, 12:18 PM

If they put it in the 3, they`d need to drop the 325d which being a 6 pot is always going to be more refined.

ChrisMWard · 10-28-2007, 12:30 PM

I would think it would appear in the three series, probably in the 2009 model year face lift range. Other manufacturers are offering diesels with good performance now and BMW will not want to lose their advantage.

Regards

Chris

scotw · 10-28-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mikem

If they put it in the 3, they`d need to drop the 325d which being a 6 pot is always going to be more refined.

That's what I would expect to happen. With the EU thinking of mandating an average CO2 of 130, makers like BMW who have plenty of big cars with big engines need to make some changes. Making the most popular models low emissions means they can keep selling high-margin, big engined cars.

dxb335d · 10-28-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisMWard

I would think it would appear in the three series, probably in the 2009 model year face lift range. Other manufacturers are offering diesels with good performance now and BMW will not want to lose their advantage.

Regards

Chris

the facelift is due as soon as that?

scotw · 10-28-2007, 01:09 PM

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the facelift is due as soon as that?

Yeah, I'm sure I've read that its due to be shown in March. It would make sense to change the 325D to a 323D at that point (although they could keep the name the same and just change the engine).

KillDork · 10-28-2007, 01:18 PM

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the facelift is due as soon as that?

The E90 facelift, not E92 or E93. I suspect it to come september 08, the E90 would then have been offered for 3,5 years. Perfect for half life face lift.

scotw · 10-28-2007, 02:31 PM

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The E90 facelift, not E92 or E93. I suspect it to come september 08, the E90 would then have been offered for 3,5 years. Perfect for half life face lift.

Yeah, that makes sense. Don't think its going to get the E92 face though

Steve A · 10-28-2007, 03:25 PM

its definately being put in the 3, its the new engine for the ALPINA D3. so a little birdy told me

KillDork · 10-30-2007, 04:27 AM

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Yeah, that makes sense. Don't think its going to get the E92 face though

And that is too bad!

scotw · 10-30-2007, 05:57 AM

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And that is too bad!

yeah I know. Not that the e90 is hideous, but the coupe just looks nicer (sigh)

NFS · 10-30-2007, 09:25 AM

I saw a 635d in the dealers yesterday ...

My prediction is that all BMW diesels will eventually have a sequential turbo option.

remmib · 10-30-2007, 01:31 PM

I woundn't mind testing the 123d

ChrisMWard · 10-30-2007, 02:12 PM

My son quite fancies one (although it would be a 120d for price and insurance reasons) so we are planning a test drive when our dealer has them. I hope it's the twin turbo though.

Regards

Chris

e92phreak · 11-29-2007, 04:41 PM

Check out the 123d review from Car Magazine.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98449

vivekk · 02-10-2008, 12:09 PM

I caught a shot of a 123d this afternoon on my mobile, whilst Mrs Viv was driving.

I don't think it looks too bad & asked the wife if she'd like one.
'That knob on the gearstick's just too close to the dashboard, for me', she said.
'Fair enough', I thought.

Viv

red-max · 02-10-2008, 12:32 PM

Anybody know why there is no 123d Coupe auto? It's only available as a manual. I'm just curious, since it's the opposite to the 335d which is only available as auto...

ShereKhan · 02-10-2008, 12:54 PM

I think you'll find the 123d doesn't have the same sort of torque as the 335d.

From what I understand the 335d can't be mated to a normal manual.
So that's why you have to have an auto box.

mjh93sa · 02-10-2008, 01:12 PM

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I don't think it looks too bad & asked the wife if she'd like one.
'That knob on the gearstick's just too close to the dashboard, for me', she said.
...

That's a bit harsh! Of course we really can't tell what he looks like from the shot you took Viv.

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Dave_3 Colonel Drives: E92 335D Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: CH / SCO Posts: 2,291 iTrader: (0) Garage List 1973 Escort RS2000 MK1 [0.00]	The low emissions and stunning economy are maybe more important to prospective customers than BHP, Carl. The engine sounds a beaut. In the 1 coupe looks like a winner. Hard to fault ... D. __________________ Capri Mk1 : Escort Mk1 RS2000 (2.1 2x44IDFS, BVH, Kent FR32, 5spd, 180 BHP) : Full-Spec 335D E92 2006

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ChrisMWard Captain Drives: E93 320d M Sport, E81 116d SE Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Epsom UK Posts: 686 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 120d SE [0.00] 2007 335d A M Sport [0.00] 1998 M3 Evo [0.00] 2002 330d Sport [0.00] 2004 330d Sport [0.00]	I would think it would appear in the three series, probably in the 2009 model year face lift range. Other manufacturers are offering diesels with good performance now and BMW will not want to lose their advantage. Regards Chris __________________ Previously: 2007 335D MSport E90 Le Mans Blue, 2004 330D A Sport Silver Grey, 2002 330D A Sport Saphire Black, 2001 320D SE Touring Titanium Silver, 1998 M3 Evo Techno Violet, 1996 328i Sport Montreal Blue, 1994 325i Coupe Red, 1989 325i Sport 2 door Dolphin Grey,1986 325i SE 4 door Lachs

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Steve A Brigadier General Drives: Mercedes C350 CDI Sport Estate Join Date: May 2007 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 3,369 iTrader: (0)	its definately being put in the 3, its the new engine for the ALPINA D3. so a little birdy told me __________________ Mercedes C350 CDI Sport Estate Auto Mini Cooper Auto. Mercedes E250 CGI,Lexus IS-F,R36, RS4 Saloon,ML 420 CDI SPORT,M6, 335d, C55, C32, M3, M5, S3, ALL SOLD but fondly remembered

10-30-2007, 09:25 AM	#15
NFS Major General Drives: 335i m-sport LCI Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK Posts: 9,215 iTrader: (0)	I saw a 635d in the dealers yesterday ... My prediction is that all BMW diesels will eventually have a sequential turbo option. __________________

10-28-2007, 12:18 PM	#5
mikem Lieutenant Colonel Drives: Z4M Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,549 iTrader: (0)	If they put it in the 3, they`d need to drop the 325d which being a 6 pot is always going to be more refined.

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remmib General Drives: 07 E90 320d M-Sport Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 21,395 iTrader: (0)	I woundn't mind testing the 123d __________________ E90 320d M-Sport Le Mans Blue \| Enkreuz H8R 20x8.5, 20x10 + OEM 194M 17" Winters \| KW V2 Coilover \| OEM CF Splitters \| OEM CF Spoiler \| OEM CF Diffuser \| OEM BMW Performance Black Grills \| Blacklines \| Hartge Exhaust \| LED Angel Eyes \| Mtec Super White Halogen 4350K Fogs \|

10-30-2007, 02:12 PM	#17
ChrisMWard Captain Drives: E93 320d M Sport, E81 116d SE Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Epsom UK Posts: 686 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 120d SE [0.00] 2007 335d A M Sport [0.00] 1998 M3 Evo [0.00] 2002 330d Sport [0.00] 2004 330d Sport [0.00]	My son quite fancies one (although it would be a 120d for price and insurance reasons) so we are planning a test drive when our dealer has them. I hope it's the twin turbo though. Regards Chris __________________ Previously: 2007 335D MSport E90 Le Mans Blue, 2004 330D A Sport Silver Grey, 2002 330D A Sport Saphire Black, 2001 320D SE Touring Titanium Silver, 1998 M3 Evo Techno Violet, 1996 328i Sport Montreal Blue, 1994 325i Coupe Red, 1989 325i Sport 2 door Dolphin Grey,1986 325i SE 4 door Lachs

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vivekk THE Viv Drives: 330i SE Join Date: May 2005 Location: the North, UK Posts: 4,750 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2005 BMW e90 330iSE [0.00]	Women are strange! I caught a shot of a 123d this afternoon on my mobile, whilst Mrs Viv was driving. I don't think it looks too bad & asked the wife if she'd like one. 'That knob on the gearstick's just too close to the dashboard, for me', she said. 'Fair enough', I thought. Viv Attached Images __________________ [TiAg ▪ Dakota Black ▪ Active steering ▪ Sports suspension ▪ 162s ▪ Sports seats ▪ Al trim ▪ Bi-Xenons ▪ F&R PDC ▪ NavPro ▪ Voice control ▪ Bluetooth ▪ 6CD Logic7]

02-10-2008, 12:32 PM	#20
red-max First Lieutenant Drives: 320d M Sport manual Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK Posts: 344 iTrader: (0)	Anybody know why there is no 123d Coupe auto? It's only available as a manual. I'm just curious, since it's the opposite to the 335d which is only available as auto... __________________ 2009 E92 320d M Sport Coupe, Manual, Alpine White, 18" wheels, Black Dakota, Sun Prot Glass. Mods: M3 boot lip spoiler, de-badged Previous BMWs: 2006 E92 335d SE, 2004 E60 530d SE Auto, 2000 E39 525d SE manual, 1997 E39 523i SE manual

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ShereKhan Captain Drives: 2010 Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDi SE Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 995 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 E90 320si [0.00]	I think you'll find the 123d doesn't have the same sort of torque as the 335d. From what I understand the 335d can't be mated to a normal manual. So that's why you have to have an auto box. __________________ New Company car 2011 BMW F10 520D SE Xirallic Imperial blue/Cinnamon Brown 6FL USB, Front Sports seats, Sports steering wheel, Xenons - Arrived 3rd Dec 2010! Scrapped RIP 12/08/2010 - E90 320si - Le Mans Blue - Totally standard specification Long gone - 00 Peugeot 306 2.0 SE Cabriolet, 94 Rover 214 SEi, 91 Fiat Uno 60S Mk2