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      10-30-2007, 01:51 PM   #1
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Would you expect a 12 Year Old Escort to beat a 335d?

Just had a little play with an N reg Escort Cosworth nothing daft or dangerous but I came up behind him on a Mainly straight B road with 1 car in front of him just as we left the 30mph zone approaching a long straight he floored it to overtake so being as it was clear I did the same (had already dropped down to 2nd) the Cosworth opened up a small gap of about 10 yards which I thought with the torque of the diesel would soon close up but no that gap stayed the same and nearly every time we had to slow down he had the 10 yard drop on me when we had clear road again, Iím sure if we had have gone into 3 figures the 335d would have reeled him in, Just goes to show what an amazing Car Ford made all those years ago. But I bet they never thought an everyday (BMW) Diesel would ever keep up with one
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Thought the 335d would have done better against the ol' cossie but you have to bear in mind most of them have been modified in some way, who knows what bhp etc he has.
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Just had a little play with an N reg Escort Cosworth nothing daft or dangerous but I came up behind him on a Mainly straight B road with 1 car in front of him just as we left the 30mph zone approaching a long straight he floored it to overtake so being as it was clear I did the same (had already dropped down to 2nd) the Cosworth opened up a small gap of about 10 yards which I thought with the torque of the diesel would soon close up but no that gap stayed the same and nearly every time we had to slow down he had the 10 yard drop on me when we had clear road again, Iím sure if we had have gone into 3 figures the 335d would have reeled him in, Just goes to show what an amazing Car Ford made all those years ago. But I bet they never thought an everyday (BMW) Diesel would ever keep up with one

Being very into them since growing up i know what can be acheived with them!!
you say 12 years old? prob a small turbo then,hard to tune unless changed to the big turbo set up!


stock, you would have it licked easy from 50-60 mph onwards, i mean pretty easily!!

a stage 1 escort cossie would be close (if not 335d just ahead) and into top figures you would reel him in easy!!

stage 3 escos, would be gone again but would top out 150ish!!!

great cars!! glad you actually know what it is, alot of people dont have a clue and dont realise its a 15k car still!! i was looking at loads about a year to a year and a half ago, even looked at one for 22k!!! alot of money for a stock escort rs cosworth!!!!


oh yeah at santa pod i lined up next to a 300bhp one and beat it

he gave the thumbsup after too!!

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To answer your question: -Yes, I would...... Those things are monsters and can easily hold their own..... Just becuse they are old doesn't mean they are slow :-)
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they break alot tho!! haha, i also looked at a 400bhp one, that went well.. was back in jan!! wont handle aswell as the e92 tho, i say that because i know of guys who had them then moved downwards in my opinion to the focus RS and said that easily outhandled the cossie. I would have thought the 335 would outhandle a focus, but not 100%
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To answer your question: -Yes, I would...... Those things are monsters and can easily hold their own..... Just becuse they are old doesn't mean they are slow :-)

I think I was also trying to point out the fact that the Escort Cosworth was such a great Car and well ahead of it’s time, when you think this Car was produced over 15 years ago and it can still more than hold it’s own today, in fact in Std form it’s 0-60 was 5.7 and a top speed of over 140 MPH which considering it was based on the small family hatch is quite remarkable. I actual never got to go in the Escort but enjoyed many happy hours in the Sierra & Sapphire Cosworths as well as a test drive in a RS500
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I think I was also trying to point out the fact that the Escort Cosworth was such a great Car and well ahead of itís time, when you think this Car was produced over 15 years ago and it can still more than hold itís own today, in fact in Std form itís 0-60 was 5.7 and a top speed of over 140 MPH which considering it was based on the small family hatch is quite remarkable. I actual never got to go in the Escort but enjoyed many happy hours in the Sierra & Sapphire Cosworths as well as a test drive in a RS500
The RS500 Now that was a weapon.

All the cossie's were special but for me Escort was the best of the bunch.
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The RS500 Now that was a weapon.
The RS500 was only a special edition of the Sierra your not mixing it up with the RS200 are you BS?
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I think I was also trying to point out the fact that the Escort Cosworth was such a great Car and well ahead of itís time, when you think this Car was produced over 15 years ago and it can still more than hold itís own today, in fact in Std form itís 0-60 was 5.7 and a top speed of over 140 MPH which considering it was based on the small family hatch is quite remarkable. I actual never got to go in the Escort but enjoyed many happy hours in the Sierra & Sapphire Cosworths as well as a test drive in a RS500
Not wishing to sound picky or like too much of a nerd but the escort cossie wasn't based on the escort, but the sierra sapphire cosworth that preceeded it - if you line an Escort Cossie up against a regular Escort you'll see the wheelbase, length and width etc are totally different, it wasn't just a case of flaring the arches of the standard car.

This was because the Escort was obviously engineered as a fwd car, and it was more cost effective to stretch the escort body shape (or something that closely resembled it) over a saph chassis than it was re-engineer the Escort for 4WD/RWD applications.

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The RS500 was only a special edition of the Sierra your not mixing it up with the RS200 are you BS?
No mate, love my old fords suppose coz I grew up in that era! Had plenty of models when I was young, including the ol' Texaco RS500

The RS200 was even more unique and special!!

Never actually owned a cossie tho, a few friends have but for me coz I grew up loving them, having anything less then a minter would ruin the memories!! It would have to be a 2nd car........maybe in a few years
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Not wishing to sound picky or like too much of a nerd but the escort cossie wasn't based on the escort, but the sierra sapphire cosworth that preceeded it - if you line an Escort Cossie up against a regular Escort you'll see the wheelbase, length and width etc are totally different, it wasn't just a case of flaring the arches of the standard car.

This was because the Escort was obviously engineered as a fwd car, and it was more cost effective to stretch the escort body shape (or something that closely resembled it) over a saph chassis than it was re-engineer the Escort for 4WD/RWD applications.

Nerd mode off.
He's right, picky but right!!
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He's right, picky but right!!
Yea he's right, picky, nerd sounding BUT RIGHT
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my mate had an escort cossie and it was just over 300hp... he ran several 0-60's at trax and each time recorded between 4.1 & 4.5 secs they are quick!
if you have 350-400hp you are talking super quick... need to bear in mind the power to weight ratio and the fact they maybe hitting 300+lbs ft of tq too
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my mate had an escort cossie and it was just over 300hp... he ran several 0-60's at trax and each time recorded between 4.1 & 4.5 secs they are quick!
if you have 350-400hp you are talking super quick... need to bear in mind the power to weight ratio and the fact they maybe hitting 300+lbs ft of tq too
trax timing gear at silverstone is shite, and wrong. i forget the reason why but its always been shit, i will try find out.

a 300bhp escort cossie will do 0-60 in 4.7-4.8 no quicker, and still do 0-100 slower than a 335d. i have a magazine which from back when the cossie was new timed several states of tune all together on the same day


Sheps is right, the escos is not a normal escort it only shared a roof skin and doors with the cooking escort,it is a shortened sierra floor pan


i have loved escort cossies for a long time







some models i have of them











RC escort cosworth WRC! shelf queen never gets used for the fear of damaging her!



an focus st orange painted one i saw on my first day on holiday in spain sep 06


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i have a magazine which from back when the cossie was new timed several states of tune all together on the same day
I still have the original Autocar from the mid 80s with their full Road Test of the Escort Cosworth when it was released.

Also have the Autocar with their original Road Test for the RS2000 MK2 in the 70s

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Escort Cossie, though advanced for its time, never really did it for me. But prior to that I used to lust after the black Sierra RS500.... What a car.

My mate's dad had an XR4i in the mid-80s and that was seriously cool at the time! Got nicked however....
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I had a red 1987 XR4x4 - 2.8 litre V6 (or was it the 2.9) It sounded pretty good. I also had an 1990 XR4i - 2.0 litre - 2WD, but was a sound car. I always lusted after a Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 4x4, how times change!

Oh, and I had the Focus ST3 (for seven weeks!).
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I had a red 1987 XR4x4 - 2.8 litre V6 (or was it the 2.9) It sounded pretty good. I also had an 1990 XR4i - 2.0 litre - 2WD, but was a sound car. I always lusted after a Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 4x4, how times change!

Oh, and I had the Focus ST3 (for seven weeks!).
Pretty impresive tally! My friend's XR4i was the original 3 door with the bi-wing spoiler and red lines in the bumpers etc. Very uncool now but a legenary car back then. And it did sound epic
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I still have the original Autocar from the mid 80s with their full Road Test of the Escort Cosworth when it was released.

Also have the Autocar with their original Road Test for the RS2000 MK2 in the 70s

D.
i have a load of old skool mags too! with the rs200 in etc, never was really into mk 1 and 2 escorts but my old chap was he had a rs16, bda. they go for 40k now dont they? there or there abouts.


PeterG, you have had load of cars i used to love. almost bought a xr4i 2.8 once in 2004 didnt bother tho

mother had a brand new s2 rs turbo in 1987 and a brand new xr2i in 1990!!

then i went and got a xr2i in 2002
pretty back in the day for me was 2002

and a rs turbo fiesta (230bhp) in 2004


my mate had a s2 rs turbo escort, so both having RS turbos, it was rude not to razz about together


mine was quicker tho

there the only two major fords that ive had.. test drove numerous saff cossies, 2wd and 4x4 were all shite unfortunately, and test drove a escort cossie which was shite!
looked at one low mileage escos which was up for 20k



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I still have the original Autocar from the mid 80s with their full Road Test of the Escort Cosworth when it was released.

Also have the Autocar with their original Road Test for the RS2000 MK2 in the 70s

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I had a red 1987 XR4x4 - 2.8 litre V6 (or was it the 2.9) It sounded pretty good. I also had an 1990 XR4i - 2.0 litre - 2WD, but was a sound car. I always lusted after a Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 4x4, how times change!

Oh, and I had the Focus ST3 (for seven weeks!).

The original bi-winged XR4i (2.8) I was driving was very, very floaty at speeds, and my old tuned 1.6 Mk1 Capri could stick with it easily in a straight line and around corners until just short of 120. I was a bit dissapointed with the XR4i. Didn't like it. I much preferred the feel of the 2.8i Capri

I did like the XR4x4 (chalk and cheese to the XR4i) and the first 2.0is - I used to go an collect them (amongst other stuff) from the main Ford Dealer.

My brother had a lot of new XR2, RS Turbo and Cosworths. OCD about them. Absolutely mint. His last was a late model pristine white Sapphire 4x4 Cosworth with unmarked black leather - which we met last year at a show !! Still in good nick. They hold on to their value remarkably ! He also sold 2 RS Focuses at List and we are not a main dealer - he wanted more.

I was more into the older stuff. Still have a MK1 Capri, and my MK1 RS2000.

My RS2000 is gently appreciating in value Makes a change for a car.

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