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      10-30-2007, 03:21 PM   #1
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AA xede vs sflgator procede v2 (with vids)

Ok, I met up with sflgator, and unexpectedly made a few runs. He has the v2, I have the AA xede. I have no cats, and magnaflow glasspacks. Please dont start with I have this and that and what not. Because no exhaust work will make up the difference. Vids speak for themsleves. Sorry its only a camera phone, but its still clear enough to see the difference. There was passengers in each car, I am hoping that they will post remarks!
Recap:Now my car is on 20's and a full Reiger bodykit, where SFLGATOR came in rims that weigh 20lbs. We met at the local Jamba juice. We went on the turnpike, where our first run, I jumped early, so we got off, and we went again from a 40mph roll, and a 20mph roll. Each time, especially from the 20mph roll, I jump right away, and keep pulling, after the end of my 3rd gear, I just let off, because there is a huge gap between us, that the vids plainly show. In the 20mph roll, I spun for 2 gears, while passing him on his PS2's. SFLGATOR car isnt slow, and I sincerely appreciate him meeting us so that we could test our cars together.
http://pictures.sprintpcs.com/share....tate=RETRIEVED

http://pictures.sprintpcs.com/share....tate=RETRIEVED
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What version of Xede are you running?
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      10-30-2007, 05:34 PM   #3
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      10-30-2007, 05:39 PM   #4
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Interesting results. Strange that the V2 in sweden pulled on the new m3 more than the 1.47 car.

bimmermans54, have you had your car dyno'd? If not have you run it with Gtech or another timing tool?

No other mods, or weight reduction on your car? Is your car manual or auto?

Thanks for both of your efforts.
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Finally- someone giving AA the long awaited credit and recognition it deserves in this forum.
Great race guys and thanks for putting it together
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      10-30-2007, 05:43 PM   #6
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Ok, I see in another post:

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Look, its very simple. You need the DP's to make the extra hp and boost. AA threw more boost at my car and it made no difference until I took the cats out of the dp's. Also, on my #1 switch, its something like 17.5-18lbs of boost, after that the turbos get so hot that they are maxed out, its even pushing it with the extra boost, I need to run 100 octane mix to even see a difference. So all those people who are saying that they are getting this rwhp, and rwtq, are blowing major smoke up everyones ass! The car is maxed out as far as I stand. No v2, or "other" goodies from other people is south florida are going to make more that whats already out there, anywhere, period. Unless your upgrading turbos, but then you will run into fuel issues... So all this stuff with the v2 is going to come out and be soo crazy, it wont be any different then the tune I have on my car right now....

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Nothing other than a custom exhaust, 2 2.5 inch all the way back, catless DP's, and AA's one of few xede that is running the 14/18 lb switch. A set of plasma coils. Now, I just ran it against my old e46 m3 with the AA s/c stg3+ that dynoed 453rwhp, and I from wherever pull about 1 car length and hold him off until around 150.... I have to dyno my car to see what I am making. BUT the boost I am running is to the limit, it needs 100 octane to run the 18lbs.

People should trust the bmw people. Meaning AA has done bmws for 25+ years. They are the G-ds of anything bmw. Not a new JAP guy. AA has relentlessly helped me in making car crazy fast. So, go by what they say and offer, and your car will be the best it can...
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LIsten, just call me. I know all the places to go to. And SRC IS NOT one of them. Their dyno hasnt been calibrated for years. I went there with a car, dynoed it, and made 28 MORE rwhp on a differnt dyno. I know al the guys like family at AA,plus I have my own shop. So hit me up! Ill take you over to Billet, thats where we do all our dynoes! Custom tuning and all!
If you running a custom map with extra boost, have beat a 453whp E46 M3 stage 3, know AA like family, and own your own shop, it might not be a fair comparison to sflgator's off the shelf v2 tune with all 4 cats in place.

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bimmermans54 .What map and what type of fuel were you runing? Not hating just want to know. Thanks
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AA Xede > PROcede V2!?
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Ok, I met up with sflgator, and unexpectedly made a few runs. He has the v2, I have the AA xede. I have no cats, and magnaflow glasspacks. Please dont start with I have this and that and what not. Because no exhaust work will make up the difference. Vids speak for themsleves. Sorry its only a camera phone, but its still clear enough to see the difference. There was passengers in each car, I am hoping that they will post remarks!
Recap:Now my car is on 20's and a full Reiger bodykit, where SFLGATOR came in rims that weigh 20lbs. We met at the local Jamba juice. We went on the turnpike, where our first run, I jumped early, so we got off, and we went again from a 40mph roll, and a 20mph roll. Each time, especially from the 20mph roll, I jump right away, and keep pulling, after the end of my 3rd gear, I just let off, because there is a huge gap between us, that the vids plainly show. In the 20mph roll, I spun for 2 gears, while passing him on his PS2's. SFLGATOR car isnt slow, and I sincerely appreciate him meeting us so that we could test our cars together.
http://pictures.sprintpcs.com/share....tate=RETRIEVED

http://pictures.sprintpcs.com/share....tate=RETRIEVED
Nice to finally see some videos. But I really don't think it's fair or accurate to say exhaust work would make no difference and conclude that the AA unit is faster than the V2 Procede. Exhausts have shown repeatedly to yield significant HP on the 335i.
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scroll up and read.
He's running 18lbs of boost.
I knew it all along- and just as i said before 25+ years in tuning BMWs. You can't go wrong for 1200 dollars.

EDIT: wow watched the first video again- you pulled like 10 cars.
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That's not fair. Why don't the other Xede users get a "higher power" maps. Instead we get a what feels to be detuned R7.
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      10-30-2007, 06:00 PM   #15
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I'm sure if you ask for it they'll do it for you.
I dont think 18lbs of boost is doable unless you have catless DP's and exhaust.
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17-18 lbs of boost.!!! god damn, that cant be safe? whats the max boost on these turbos?
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Holy shit...what did you run at the track?
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I am suprised you pulled so much on him, but he is completely stock, other than PROcede. You have higher than normal AA Xede boost, catless DPs and cat-back exhaust, right?

Of course you car will be faster...duh
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You know, when Walkedu raced the v1.47 proceded carr with his v2.0 car people attributed the huge gain walkedu had on the v1.47 car mostly to the version 2, where I argued that the huge lead walkedu had was more due to his exhaust, DPs, and FMIC.
I would absolutely love to see the people (driver72) that said that the huge gain that walkedu had on the v1.47 car was attributed to v2.0 come into this thread and say that the huge lead Bimmerman had on sflgator is due to his small modification (exhaust, catless dps). After all they did say themselves that these "small" modifications had no HUGE effect on walkedu's v2.0 car stepping on the v1.47 car.
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What did you put down on the dyno?
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You know, when Walkedu raced the v1.47 proceded carr with his v2.0 car people attributed the huge gain walkedu had on the v1.47 car mostly to the version 2, where I argued that the huge lead walkedu had was more due to his exhaust, DPs, and FMIC.
I would absolutely love to see the people (driver72) (sflgator) that said that the huge gain was attributed to v2.0 come into this thread and say that the huge lead Bimmerman had on sflgator is due to his small modification (exhaust, catless dps). After all they did say themselves that these "small" modifications had no HUGE effect on walkedu's v2.0 car stepping on the v1.47 car.
I think most of us are interested in understanding what all of these mods are doing and equal comparisons of tuners.

Unless someone wants to dyno their car after every mod, and take mods off to install them in different orders, we may never know what these mods produce individually, or how we should prioritize our upgrades.
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Wow thats unbelievable....There had to be something wrong with Sflgator's ride...I just can't see you pulling that far ahead of him, obviously the video shows that, but i still can't believe it
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