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      10-30-2007, 06:56 PM   #45
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look at all the people who get butthurt when they see a V2 car actually losing a race
so true... I think this is the very first AA Xede thread that sflgator and refused to post in.


This is good for everyone... now Vishnu/others will have to work harder to make a better product and the ball keeps rolling.
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If Im not mistaken, the v2 also claims to run 18lbs of boost. Even though the turbos are maxed out way before that, and how does AA know, they did months of testing on their own 335, and had trouble with the turbos, after boost of over 15lbs for a long period of time. That right there goes to show that they know what theyre talking about, what theyre doing and capable of. They would never sell something that damages a car in anyway...
Very impressive pulls! Much farther than I would expect, nice job. Which 453WHP M3 Supercharger did you beat?

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Where is gatorrrrrrrrr...he needs to post and tell us how much rwhp/rwtq he made with the Xede (+57 and +92) respectively, as I have these numbers committed to memory now.

Lol, but seriously...that wasn't even close. Did gators car go into limp mode or something? With that big of a gap, there had to be some kind of an issue.
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No one is butthurt. I am trying to understand what is the difference here. He dyno's at 348whp but pull lengths on a v2 procede when we have seen 370whp out of a v2 procede and reports of v2 pulling on the new m3. The v2 would not have pulled on a new m3 with HP equivalent to 348hp. Something is strange and I am just trying to understand what it is. The video speaks for itself. I am not accusing anyone of anything. We would all benefit from knowing what happened and the variables in these two cars.
Ditto that bro.
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Yes....we want gator, we want gator!!!
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Hey Gator, Crank your tq. rating anything above 85% and you might of stood a chance!!!
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Ok, I see in another post:








If you running a custom map with extra boost, have beat a 453whp E46 M3 stage 3, know AA like family, and own your own shop, it might not be a fair comparison to sflgator's off the shelf v2 tune with all 4 cats in place.

Any comments?

From: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...93#post1426693
It would have been nice if he just said all of that up front instead of making it out like he just has an xede with some DP's.

In any case you have a quick car.

*edit*... I just read bimmers response on page 2 and it seems that he is running the normal software from AA. If so, that is really impressive. So, its not custom tuned at all for your DP's?
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Everyone is comparing the v2 that beat the e92 m3. The problem there is that guy had DPS and exhaust. So it wasn't just a v2 against a e92 m3. So people please stop comparing that. Secondly i am aslo with everyone else i mean u must have pulled 10 car lengths and that just doesnt seem right. If gator can chime in it would put all of our questions to rest. BTW nice race.
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I think the gist of the thread is that the V2 software made some pretty big boasts and promises about power. Some people will see this thread and deduce that it is not living up to all the hype.
The original poster said he dyno'd at 348whp. The way he pulled on gator it looked like he must have had an additional 50whp (just guess). I don't think v2's are running 298 whp. There are some variables here that we don't know and hopefully they will come to light.
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maybe the V2 pulled back its power to keep things "safe"....


This should be a prime example, never think your the quickest.
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The original poster said he dyno'd at 348whp. The way he pulled on gator it looked like he must have had an additional 50whp (just guess). I don't think v2's are running 298 whp. There are some variables here that we don't know and hopefully they will come to light.
Agree that was a ridiculous speed differential, i mean the xede's tires were chirping like mad!

V2 seems to be mixed bag at this point, not the killer advantage initially advertised, more of an evolution ...
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Nice run and nice pull.

AA makes some quality products and their engineering is superb.
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Mr5 did a bunch of dynos comparing Procede 1.47 with Xede standard and Down Pipe Tunes:

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Nice work Mr.5 so in conclusion it appears this, let me know if I got this right:

Best run (combined HP & Tq to get highest total value to consider "best" run:

PROcede normal v1.47 tune with DP's:
324.58 rwhp
365.48 rwtq
690.09 combined

Xede on normal tune with DP's:
325.22 rwhp
361.48 rwtq
686.7 combined

Xede with DP's on DP tune:
327.05 rwhp
373.03 rwtq
700.08 combined
From: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84100

Then leftcoastman did a v2 dyno with high flow cat downpipes as the only mod and got on two runs, 1) 378whp and 2) 383whp.

From: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...46#post1542946

Again, the videos posted on this thread speak volumes, but I think there is more to learn here. Wish we had a dyno of sflgator's car.
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Ditto that bro.
driver72, this is a good example of why i don't like the racing from a roll. i bet if they were at the track, gator would represent v2 better, than having someone leave of him and him trying to catch them. defentily not saying the other guy cheated, he just has more experience racing from a roll, lol. not trying to be a "hater" but if terry beat an xede car by 3 CL, and he now said i would beat a v2 car by 13 CL.because of what we say here, he would be wanted dead or alive. i am just trying to help you see where i am coming from.
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So.... a single race of two cars is the mark of all to come (including the Sweden runs)? Seriously, we are adults and know the basics of comparisons with a single sample group; there is no conclusion.
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driver72, this is a good example of why i don't like the racing from a roll. i bet if they were at the track, gator would represent v2 better, than having someone leave of him and him trying to catch them. defentily not saying the other guy cheated, he just has more experience racing from a roll, lol. not trying to be a "hater" but if terry beat an xede car by 3 CL, and he now said i would beat a v2 car by 13 CL.because of what we say here, he would be wanted dead or alive. i am just trying to help you see where i am coming from.

Racing from a roll takes the driver error out of the equation...


Since we are comparing the cars, and not the driver, racing from a roll is preferred...
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look at all the people who get butthurt when they see a V2 car actually losing a race
I don't think anyone is butt hurt. It just doesn't make sense.
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Yes, you can look all you want.
I've actually said that in several posts. I'll bet you can find it in at least 2-3 minimum.
I recently posted it just in the last day or two as well.
Here' to save you from looking, here's the cut and paste quote from a post I made earlier.

***Cut and paste*** "I v1.47 335i jumped the e92 M3 by 1.5 CL in the M5Board test from 50-250 kmh recently only to be reeled in and passed by the e92 M3 (which one by 1-1.5 CL.
The v2.0 PROcede car pulled away from the get go and won by 5 CL.
So that's a difference of 6.5 CL.
True the v2.0 car had DP's (I believe) but even if you say that those DP's are worth 2-3 CL, then the v2.0 would still be 3 CL ahead of the v1.47 PROcede car.

And you can also look at Walked U's videos of racing 2 different v1.47 PROcede cars with his v2.0 car.
True he won both by numerous (probably 6-7+ CL) and he had a few more mods, but clearly FMIC and DP's aren't going to give you 6-7 CL.
At least 3-4 of those CL were because he had v2.0 and not v1.47" ***End cut and paste***


Why would you think otherwise that's the question??

I've been drag racing for years and know the benefits of a larger FMIC, catless DP's, custom exhausts, etc.
I would NEVER and have NEVER said those things are useless and that WalkedU's gains were simply from the v2.0
I did say that Shiv dynoed Walked U's car with the DP's and saw no gains, but again, I was just repeating what SHIV and WALKED U posted, not what I thought or believed.
You are delusional if you think I think that, or have ever said that.

Anyway, again, don't know where you are getting this idea about me or why you would even think that about me. But whatever.
so 2-3 car lengths form v2.0 compared to bimmermans 10 car length lead?hm
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So.... a single race of two cars is the mark of all to come (including the Sweden runs)? Seriously, we are adults and know the basics of comparisons with a single sample group; there is no conclusion.
We'll some of us would like to know what happened. All the variables existed that moved those two cars down the road, we just don't know what they all were, and as enthusiats I think there is some interest in atleast figuring out what was the biggest contibuting factor here, because it appeared to be a stomping of a v2 equipped car which is the first time we have seen anything accomplish that.
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ok, here we go. One is a hp and tq, the other is hp and boost. Now the rpms dont match because we didnt hook up under the hood, its a dyno dynamics dynamometer. We just rolled on the dyno while trying to match rpms.
---The car is as smooth as anything.
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driver72, this is a good example of why i don't like the racing from a roll. i bet if they were at the track, gator would represent v2 better, than having someone leave of him and him trying to catch them. defentily not saying the other guy cheated, he just has more experience racing from a roll, lol. not trying to be a "hater" but if terry beat an xede car by 3 CL, and he now said i would beat a v2 car by 13 CL.because of what we say here, he would be wanted dead or alive. i am just trying to help you see where i am coming from.
I know where you are coming from, but there was clearly something amiss in that race.
It doesn't take any experience to slam the throttle to the floor.
Gator's car was either not running well, or Bimmerman's car is making 50-60 rwhp more from something.
That difference has nothing to do with rolling race differences or driving experience.
Gator would of lost by as much at a drag strip with that kind of power difference displayed in those videos.
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