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      10-30-2007, 07:41 PM   #67
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Agree that was a ridiculous speed differential, i mean the xede's tires were chirping like mad!

V2 seems to be mixed bag at this point, not the killer advantage initially advertised, more of an evolution ...
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Racing from a roll takes the driver error out of the equation...


Since we are comparing the cars, and not the driver, racing from a roll is preferred...
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      10-30-2007, 07:44 PM   #70
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I know where you are coming from, but there was clearly something amiss in that race.
It doesn't take any experience to slam the throttle to the floor.
Gator's car was either not running well, or Bimmerman's car is making 50-60 rwhp more from something.
That difference has nothing to do with rolling race differences or driving experience.
Gator would of lost by as much at a drag strip with that kind of power difference displayed in those videos.
The difference is he is running 18lbs of boost- custom AA tune with catless DPs.
Nothing is wrong with gators car.
Which leads me to conclude again, although v2.0 is certainly faster than 1.47, V2.0 just isn't adding the advertised 40whp, as evidenced by Maxxboost .03 decrease in quarter mile time with v2.0 as opposed to v1.47
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One thing that may have contributed is gearing at the start. Was the OP's car manual? What gear were you in for each race? We know Gator is Auto, what were his settings for each race?
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so 2-3 car lengths form v2.0 compared to bimmermans 10 car length lead?hm
nope, once again you are misinterpreting my words (or intentionally distorting them to flame) and drawing a different conclusion.
v2.0 would gain 2-3 CL's over a v1.47 car on average.
I made that point pretty clear here and in other posts.
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It doesn't take any experience to slam the throttle to the floor.
I guess it takes experience to know that slamming the throttle to the floor is not what you should do. Though it shouldn't have made that big of a difference, you should roll the throttle even from a roll.
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He isn't running a custom tune.

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The difference is he is running 18lbs of boost- custom AA tune with catless DPs.
Nothing is wrong with gators car.
Which leads me to conclude again, although v2.0 is certainly faster than 1.47, V2.0 just isn't adding the advertised 40whp, as evidenced by Maxxboost .03 decrease in quarter mile time with v2.0 as opposed to v1.47
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The difference is he is running 18lbs of boost- custom AA tune with catless DPs.
The OP said he took out the 18 map and was running a standard AA tune with catless DP's.
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You dynoed on a dyno dynamics! Your car is pushing much closer to 400RWHP (on a dynojet - I believe they read like 22%ish higher then DD). If not more... I know they DDs usually show lower then Dynojets... I would love to see this car on a dynojet those are some crazy #s.


Can you please post an exact list of your mods? On a dynojet you may be pushing over 400rwhp many people who like to know how this is accomplished including me!
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The difference is he is running 18lbs of boost- custom AA tune with catless DPs.
Nothing is wrong with gators car.
Which leads me to conclude again, although v2.0 is certainly faster than 1.47, V2.0 just isn't adding the advertised 40whp, as evidenced by Maxxboost .03 decrease in quarter mile time with v2.0 as opposed to v1.47
Dude, different day, different conditions.
How would you explain the difference between the v2.0 car beating the e92 M3 by 5 CL's and the v1.47 car losing to the e92 M3 by 1.5 CL then if the v2.0?
Also their was never an "advertised" 40 whp gain for v2.0
That was on Shiv original dyno difference but the SAME post he said he was going to dial that power back for the initial production versions.
The difference is more like 20+ whp in most cases I believe.
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DJLS- Which e46 m3? Mine! The one that I built up and sold. Thats over 450rwhp on boost and I had a 150 wet shot...As for nitrous, you never know, but I would rather not find out what the limits of the motor are, someone else can do that!
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We'll some of us would like to know what happened. All the variables existed that moved those two cars down the road, we just don't know what they all were, and as enthusiats I think there is some interest in atleast figuring out what was the biggest contibuting factor here.
I agree, maybe that wasn't portrayed well. I was saying that a single race does not describe the majority results. There are some unknowns here that do not add up.

A lead like that can be contributed to many factors of which I doubt we will even get the real information unless sflgator finds an issue with his car. However, and that said, the amount of torque seemingly applied in the first pull amounts to more than what I measured (386 WTQ). As I grip just fine rolling on the throttle in warmer weather (assumed as this is southern Florida). So, my conclusion is that some details may never be disclosed.
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He isn't running a custom tune.
I stand corrected.

EDIT: WOW. If he was running the regular AA xede tune with downpipes and exhaust. shouldnt that add up to what v2.0 is making all by itself. Once again, mislead with good marketing, v2.0 isnt what was advertised/hyped up to be.
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You dynoed on a dyno dynamics! Your car is pushing much closer to 400RWHP (on a dynojet - I believe they read like 22%ish higher then DD). If not more... I know they DDs usually show lower then Dynojets... I would love to see this car on a dynojet those are some crazy #s.


Can you please post an exact list of your mods? On a dynojet you may be pushing over 400rwhp many people who like to know how this is accomplished including me!
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These are important comments.

OP thanks for posting the dyno info, much appreciated.
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I guess it takes experience to know that slamming the throttle to the floor is not what you should do. Though it shouldn't have made that big of a difference, you should roll the throttle even from a roll.
Depends on the speed you are starting from and the power of your car, the transmission of your car, the tune of your car, etc etc etc (I'm sure you knew that too huh, or were about to explain it to me since my nearly 20 years of racing hasn't taught me that but you were about too ...but I think you knew what I meant by "slamming the throttle to the floor" anyway right?
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Dude, different day, different conditions.
How would you explain the difference between the v2.0 car beating the e92 M3 by 5 CL's and the v1.47 car losing to the e92 M3 by 1.5 CL then if the v2.0?
Also their was never an "advertised" 40 whp gain for v2.0
That was on Shiv original dyno difference but the SAME post he said he was going to dial that power back for the initial production versions.
The difference is more like 20+ whp in most cases I believe.
Until I see videos and/or talk to the person in that M3 I'm going to stick with the assumption that yes v2.0 beat the e92m3 and v1.47 lost, by how much I wont ever know, I wasn't there. This is all speculation.
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Until I see videos and/or talk to the person in that M3 I'm going to stick with the assumption that yes v2.0 beat the e92m3 and v1.47 lost, by how much I wont ever know, I wasn't there. This is all speculation.
One more thing, the M3 engine may still have very low miles and be "tighter" than the one in the 335i's so that's another factor to take into account: my m3, m5 and 997s all flet faster after 10k miles...
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I stand corrected.

EDIT: WOW. If he was running the regular AA xede tune with downpipes and exhaust. shouldnt that add up to what v2.0 is making all by itself. Once again, mislead with good marketing, v2.0 isnt what was advertised/hyped up to be.
You are just too funny dude.
Don't just jump to conclusions or anything based on one video run that was clearly skewed or something amiss. Don't wait for the other person in the video to jump in and explain what might of gone wrong with his car.

Nevermind, believe what you want, it doesn't matter.
Yup the PROcede sucks, the v2.0 stinks.
An Xede car with just DP's and exhaust can waste the PROcede v2.0 car by 6-7 CL's everytime, no questions.
Now quick jump on the Xede bandwagon. Enjoy the ride and keep bashing the PROcede cause it does stink. Heck a stock 335i could beat a PROceded 335i. The new word on the street is the PROcede actually robs you of power. Spread the word revah, I know you will.
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Depends on the speed you are starting from and the power of your car, the transmission of your car, the tune of your car, etc etc etc (I'm sure you knew that too huh, or were about to explain it to me since my nearly 20 years of racing hasn't taught me that but you were about too ...but I think you knew what I meant by "slamming the throttle to the floor" anyway right?
Actually not at all, given that; there were a few comments about him bogging, the first video was from a pretty slow roll. Slamming the throttle was not what you would want to do.
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One more thing, the M3 engine may still have very low miles and be "tighter" than the one in the 335i's so that's another factor to take into account: my m3, m5 and 997s all flet faster after 10k miles...
I know this is OT but
same with all my cars as well.

I've learned that even though break in periods are 1-2K miles, most engines don't seem to be fully broke in and opened up until at least 5K miles.
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You are just too funny dude.
Don't just jump to conclusions or anything based on one video run that was clearly skewed or something amiss. Don't wait for the other person in the video to jump in and explain what might of gone wrong with his car.

Nevermind, believe what you want, it doesn't matter.
Yup the PROcede sucks, the v2.0 stinks.
An Xede car with just DP's and exhaust can waste the PROcede v2.0 car by 6-7 CL's everytime, no questions.
Now quick jump on the Xede bandwagon. Enjoy the ride and keep bashing the PROcede cause it does stink. Heck a stock 335i could beat a PROceded 335i. The new word on the street is the PROcede actually robs you of power. Spread the word revah, I know you will.
Actually just ordered my JB2 today
Perhaps you should jump off the proceed bandwagon?
and Yes an Xede car with DPs and exhaust can waste a v2.0 car, EVIDENTLY
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