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      06-30-2008, 06:54 PM   #67
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Man this sucks.. I have nav, bluetooth, voice command and bmw asist in my trunk i have a tcu 1.5 this does not have usb.. 03/08 build

the mulf2-high replaces the tcu 1.5 but then bmw assist wont work or nav since all the antenas plug into the tcu.. now i read somewhere that you can plug the the ulf2-hig and tcu in parallel so that why im asking for some pics of the module of an 08 with premimun, nav, assist and 6lf option..


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Man this sucks.. I have nav, bluetooth, voice command and bmw asist in my trunk i have a tcu 1.5 this does not have usb.. 03/08 build

the mulf2-high replaces the tcu 1.5 but then bmw assist wont work or nav since all the antenas plug into the tcu.. now i read somewhere that you can plug the the ulf2-hig and tcu in parallel so that why im asking for some pics of the module of an 08 with premimun, nav, assist and 6lf option..


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Well my 08 M3 e90 just has the High, with part number 84109181276 on the label. (BTW it is now GSM instead of CDMA)
It has nav/assist/voice/6LF.
There are four FAKRA antenna sockets on the rear end and three of them are occupied.

Let me know the part number of your unit and I will look it up.
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Here, I hope, are the 6FL Retrofit Installation Instructions.
Ken, I have an e92 with premium + navi (and lots of other options), will the retrofit kit work in my car? Do I already have the High Charger/hands free electronic control? When I open my truck and take out the floor, I see a metal box on the right.

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      07-01-2008, 05:12 PM   #70
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Ken, I have an e92 with premium + navi (and lots of other options), will the retrofit kit work in my car? Do I already have the High Charger/hands free electronic control? When I open my truck and take out the floor, I see a metal box on the right.

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I am not the world's expert on this but here goes:
1. Your car must have been produced in 3/07 or later. I cannot tell from what you have written if that is the case. If it is from this date the Installation Instructions imply that it will work.
2. Let me know the part number on the metal box and I will see if I can tell from the ETK (German for EPC, electronic parts catalog) if it need changing or can remain. The part number is of the form 84.10.9.xxx.xxx and probably has a dash number at the end (eg -01). I suspect that it will have to be changed.
The high charger/HF unit occupies the same space as the low charger/HF unit in the trunk so the fact that you have something there does not in itself help (it provides Bluetooth capability). It appears that the "high" unit has USB built-in whereas the "low" does not.
Note that the Installation Instructions I published were from a European dealer.
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      07-01-2008, 05:24 PM   #71
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I am so bitter I am a 2/07 build... NEEED 6FL
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      07-01-2008, 05:44 PM   #72
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Well my 08 M3 e90 just has the High, with part number 84109181276 on the label. (BTW it is now GSM instead of CDMA)
It has nav/assist/voice/6LF.
There are four FAKRA antenna sockets on the rear end and three of them are occupied.

Let me know the part number of your unit and I will look it up.
Ken your part number 84109181276 comes up as a

84109181276 $682.47 $48.00 $545.98

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are you shure yours has usb?? take a pic of it. I have a feeling that you have the mulf2-high plugged in somewhere as well..




and mine comes up as 84109171348
84109171348 $789.83 $48.00 $631.86

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but mine does not have usb.. it has 4 antena plugs..
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Ken your part number 84109181276 comes up as a

84109181276 $682.47 $48.00 $545.98

TELEMATICS CTRL UNIT

are you shure yours has usb?? take a pic of it. I have a feeling that you have the mulf2-high plugged in somewhere as well..




and mine comes up as 84109171348
84109171348 $789.83 $48.00 $631.86

TELEMATICS CTRL UNIT

but mine does not have usb.. it has 4 antena plugs..
Absolutely my car has USB - there is an iPod plugged into the center console right now, sitting in the little pseudo-leather case that was supplied under the armrest and plugged into the USB/Aux-in socket. (Not surprising as I paid for it and the car is only a few weeks old)
As far as I can tell from the ETK the 84109171348 unit is one of the standard (=low) Bluetooth boxes for the USA from 03/07 to 03/08 using CDMA. It seems that that box needs to be replaced with one that has USB.
I asked a colleague to look at the wiring diagrams and he can find no reference to cars having two such boxes.
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Absolutely my car has USB - there is an iPod plugged into the center console right now, sitting in the little pseudo-leather case that was supplied under the armrest and plugged into the USB/Aux-in socket. (Not surprising as I paid for it and the car is only a few weeks old)
As far as I can tell from the ETK the 84109171348 unit is one of the standard (=low) Bluetooth boxes for the USA from 03/07 to 03/08 using CDMA. It seems that that box needs to be replaced with one that has USB.
I asked a colleague to look at the wiring diagrams and he can find no reference to cars having two such boxes.

Information on parallel installation of TCU and ULF-SBX-H
Information on parallel installation of TCU and ULF-SBX-H


In this vehicle, the following control modules are installed in parallel:

TCU Telematic control module

ULF-SBX-H Interface box High

These control modules implement the following functions:

TCU Telematic Control Module
The TCU covers all the telephone and Telematic functions. All antennas as well as other telephone hardware are connected to the TCU.

ULF-SBX-H interface box High
With parallel installation, the ULF-SBX-H exclusively operates the optional extra 6FL ”USB audio port”. Telephone functions are not implemented in this control module.

The installation location of the TCU Telematic Control Module and the ULF-SBX-H interface box High is shown below with the E60 as an example.

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if you look at this pic of e93 seem like the ulf is stuck under the tuc

For advanced information on the basic layout and basic functions of the TCU and ULF-SBX-H, please consult the SBT.



Functional description, see BMW center Technology:

TIS -> Document -> SI Technology -> Enter SBT Number

SBT number: 840703056 (TCU variant US)

SBT number: 840104118 (TCU variant EURO)

SBT number: 840303045 (ULF-SBX-H)

found this in the wds version 12.0

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      07-01-2008, 07:14 PM   #75
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Information on parallel installation of TCU and ULF-SBX-H
Information on parallel installation of TCU and ULF-SBX-H


In this vehicle, the following control modules are installed in parallel:

TCU Telematic control module

ULF-SBX-H Interface box High

These control modules implement the following functions:

TCU Telematic Control Module
The TCU covers all the telephone and Telematic functions. All antennas as well as other telephone hardware are connected to the TCU.

ULF-SBX-H interface box High
With parallel installation, the ULF-SBX-H exclusively operates the optional extra 6FL ”USB audio port”. Telephone functions are not implemented in this control module.

The installation location of the TCU Telematic Control Module and the ULF-SBX-H interface box High is shown below with the E60 as an example.

Attachment 165914

e93

Attachment 165915

For advanced information on the basic layout and basic functions of the TCU and ULF-SBX-H, please consult the SBT.



Functional description, see BMW center Technology:

TIS -> Document -> SI Technology -> Enter SBT Number

SBT number: 840703056 (TCU variant US)

SBT number: 840104118 (TCU variant EURO)

SBT number: 840303045 (ULF-SBX-H)

found this in the wds version 12.0
I have no idea. I cannot find another such box in my car and in the e90 there are not too many places that it could be located as it is quite big. Especioally in the M3 which as minimal trunk space. Does this information relate to the e90? This description seems to me like an interim solution, perhaps one that was in use during 07.
I don't think it necessarily has any relevance to the retrofit kit where the instructions clearly state that you scrap the existing box (if you have BT) and install a new one, whilst also adding in the new wires to the existing connector.
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I have no idea. I cannot find another such box in my car and in the e90 there are not too many places that it could be located as it is quite big. Especioally in the M3 which as minimal trunk space. Does this information relate to the e90? This description seems to me like an interim solution, perhaps one that was in use during 07.
I don't think it necessarily has any relevance to the retrofit kit where the instructions clearly state that you scrap the existing box (if you have BT) and install a new one, whilst also adding in the new wires to the existing connector.
if you look at the pic it might be on the bottom of the tcu on the other side of the bracket. since the bmw mulf2 - high only does bluetooth and usb.. it has to be in there somewhere..

I found the fcc info for it.. and it shows only one ant for bluetoot and the 4 pin usb plug..


https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/f...ive_or_pdf=pdf
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Sorry but there is definitely only one box on the right-hand side of the trunk space and that has part number 84.10.9.181.276-01 on the label. It is not made by Harman-Becker, rather by Continental and the label states it is "MOST-GSM/US". The manufacturing date is 23-02-08. The rear end of the unit (i.e. to the back of the car) has four FAKRA connectors colored White/Blue/Black/Purple. The Blue connector is empty, the others occupied.
The front end of the box has a large multi-way connector, perhaps one or more additional small connectors.
According to the ETK it is valid for cars from 03/08 and there is a remanufactured alternative 84.10.9.181.856.
Your documents are dated 2006 and I can't help but think they relate to an interim USB solution and nowadays everything is in one box. And the retrofit kit relates to one box too, albeit a replacement box for cars with Bluetooth.
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Thanks for the info.. im going to get to the bottom of this..
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My car was built in 11/06. What is preventing the retrofit in my car?

All options in my car are Premium, comfort access, navi, sport, active cruise, active steering, pdc, heated seats, satelite radio, rear sunshade.
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My car was built in 11/06. What is preventing the retrofit in my car?

All options in my car are Premium, comfort access, navi, sport, active cruise, active steering, pdc, heated seats, satelite radio, rear sunshade.
It would seem that there were a whole host of electronic changes made in 03/07 that preclude the retrofit, including the radio and wiring harness, in fact most things electronic.
Whilst it is nearly always technically possible to retrofit anything, in this case the cost would seem to be prohibitive, even if one could get the detailed information.
That is what has been surmised.
However, the only pre-condition actually listed in the Installation Instructions is that you have to have Radio Level 2 or later. Whether that coincides with 03/07 I have no idea. I will try to find out when I am in Europe next week.
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It would seem that there were a whole host of electronic changes made in 03/07 that preclude the retrofit, including the radio and wiring harness, in fact most things electronic.
Whilst it is nearly always technically possible to retrofit anything, in this case the cost would seem to be prohibitive, even if one could get the detailed information.
That is what has been surmised.
However, the only pre-condition actually listed in the Installation Instructions is that you have to have Radio Level 2 or later. Whether that coincides with 03/07 I have no idea. I will try to find out when I am in Europe next week.
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ken check out this link its an 08 and the module mulf2-high is under the bracket

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153402
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ken check out this link its an 08 and the module mulf2-high is under the bracket

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153402
I am embarrarassed to say that you are 100% correct. I hadn't noticed in when I looked before. Sorry for misleading you.
The good news (for me) is that the wires going into the lower box seem to be exactly the same colors as the bunch of spare cables sitting in the back of my X5 (to which I want to add 6FL).
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Props to you guys for reviving this thread in the right direction. Subscribed! Have any of you guys gone to the dealership with the pdf?

When I was doing research for various retrofits the biggest slow down was the speculation. After a while all the research that could be done WAS done and all that was left was to get the hands dirty

I'll go to the dealership ASAP. Already emailed Evan@Tischer with the pdf so I can verify the parts list kindly provided KenH and to see if my vehicle can proceed.

Then the hardest part is finding an open minded SA who won't rape me with installation fees

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Does anyone know what the connector shape is that goes into the usb module???

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I just purchased a 2008 328i from BMW of San Diego. I got a great deal for buying one off the lot and didn't realize that about the only option missing was the USB port. I really wanted that feature and it was on the one I first test drove.

I found this great thread sent my dealer the pdf with the part numbers etc. After a couple of phone calls to BMW NA the service manager told me that they were European Part numbers and they could not be ordered in the US. He said they were told a US retrofit kit was in the works and would be out in the next few weeks.

Not sure if this helps. I'll let you know more as I find out because I really want this installed..
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