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      11-07-2007, 07:29 PM   #309
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shiv, what about people stuck with 92oct? haha. Is it safe to assume you wont be coming out with a 92map?
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Having owned more powerful and quicker vehicles, I do agree. If I can get 350 - 360 WHP and ~400 WTQ on 93 Octane with no other modifications, I will be estatic (at least for a little while).
Stock: ~270whp & 280wtq
Procede: ~350whp & 400wtq

I just realized this is a chip that gains ~80hp and ~120tq at the wheels before bolt ons... damn
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shiv, what about people stuck with 92oct? haha. Is it safe to assume you wont be coming out with a 92map?
It will be the same as the 91-93oct map.

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Wow, I remember when all of us early 335i owners were just stoked to have a PROcede and getting 310-330 rwhp (depending on tranny and 91 or 93 Octane gas) back in Feb/March 2007.

Now 6-8 months later and so many want 380+ rwhp or it's a bust!
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It will be the same as the 91-93oct map.

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So someone running 91 octane and someone 93 octane is going to have the same gains?? or should us east coast guys see more of a gain with the 93??
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I seriously doubt that. Sflgators car has V2 and 93 octane and was not as fast as my car with 356 whp..
Is this based on your butt dyno from your professionaly executed race the other day? I have a feeling your dp/exhaust makes a broader powerband with faster spool earlier and more breathable top end but peak power is what it is, my numbers are based off the dyno charts we have seen.
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V2.02 will probably have you at 350+ rwhp on stock exhaust and 91 octane anyway
I'm an auto so you need to knock off 8 or so RWHP.

On v1.4 with my auto sedan I dynoed 313 rwhp on 91 Octane.
Poured in a bit of 100 Octane to make a 93 Octane mix and within minutes dynoed at 325 rwhp on 93.

I have not dynoed my auto coupe with v1.47
But I'd guess it would also be in the 312-315 rwhp range with just 91 Octane.
So if I get 340 rwhp from v2.02 that's great. If it's 350 I'd be estatic.
But I also won't run 100% on the setting probably either.
I'll probably do 97-98% max to be a bit safer and allow a bit of safety margin in case I get a bad batch of gas ever.
Our 91 Octane here in So. Cal stinks!
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I'm an auto so you need to knock off 8 or so RWHP.

On v1.4 with my auto sedan I dynoed 313 rwhp on 91 Octane.
Poured in a bit of 100 Octane to make a 93 Octane mix and within minutes dynoed at 325 rwhp on 93.

I have not dynoed my auto coupe with v1.47
But I'd guess it would also be in the 312-315 rwhp range with just 91 Octane.
So if I get 340 rwhp from v2.02 that's great. If it's 350 I'd be estatic.
But I also won't run 100% on the setting probably either.
I'll probably do 97-98% max to be a bit safer and allow a bit of safety margin in case I get a bad batch of gas ever.
Our 91 Octane here in So. Cal stinks!
Same with ours in norcal I run the default tq setting myself.
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Absolutely. But I need to see and tune a few cars set up like this before I can comfortably post up baseline maps.

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It will be the same as the 91-93oct map.

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damn that was a quick response thanks shiv.
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The white car that was faster than Gators in the video is now a little bit (not much) slower than mine. I was in Gators car. And your statement reeks of sarcasm. Gator knows the other car was faster. And you are probably right about the faster spool and broader powerband.
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My car never runs on 91... Always 10 gallons 91, 5 gallons 100oct... I think it should put me around 95 to 96 oct... So i should be close to 400whp or more i guess and over for sure on straight 100oct with a custom tune!!
That combination will give you 94 oct...
If you want 96 you will need a ratio of 6 gallons of 91oct and 9 gallons of a 100oct.
that should give you around 96.4oct.
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The white car that was faster than Gators in the video is now a little bit (not much) slower than mine. I was in Gators car. And your statement reeks of sarcasm. Gator knows the other car was faster. And you are probably right about the faster spool and broader powerband.
lol you guys raced second gear vs. third, that whole debacle and post reeked of b.s. if you don't mind my saying so.
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there were 5 runs total only 2 were video'd. It is people like you who are too pig headed to accept something that was really quite clear. Excuses were made up to cover truths that were obvious to all of us there. V2.02 will provide more power from my understanding. So maybe things will be different.

But I will say, I have to do twice as much work to get my car to 400whp than you guys with V2. I am glad vishnu has begun catering to all of the procede users by working on exhaust and DP maps. That really was my only qualm for moving to Xede.
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Sorry if I don't jump out of my seet and applaud your wrong gear race that made no scientific sense. Why would you of all people still claim validity?

Anyway, that is not to say that xede plus full exhaust wouldn't still win, all im saying is that hard pull was unrealistic and misleading. My opinion is still that full exhaust takes any turbo car to the next level so that could make xede, dp+exhaust pull the current v2 map with no exhaust. However, what happens with procede + full exhaust, video that race, in the same gears this time.
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Dyno taken two days ago at 80 degrees and 35% humidity. Same mods as you Down4it. Just installed something on my car that added 32 rwhp on the bottom end. 93 octane same map. Ran the map without new mod and with new mod and these were the two best of each. But 356whp on Xede.

Got to feel SFLGators V2 and it was definately faster than the 1.47 that was originally in my car.
Some very nice numbers from your mods, NYC!!! What I would like to eventually see in our area is a similarly modded PROcede v2 335i go up against you and/or Bimmermans54's 335i. I think that would be very, very interesting to see what, if any, differences between a PROcede v2 tune and an AA XEDE tune. I will never have the kind of mods you guys have; it's just not in my future (although I might add 1 more minor thing ) but hopefully soon there will be more local PROcede v2 335is' with DPs, exhaust, FMIC, etc. as you guys have in your AA XEDE 335i's.

I can't wait to run with a few M5's, E92 M3's, S5s, G37's (although won't be much of a challenge), etc. Good times ahead for all of us!!!!
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Having owned more powerful and quicker vehicles, I do agree. If I can get 350 - 360 WHP and ~400 WTQ on 93 Octane with no other modifications, I will be estatic (at least for a little while).
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One car was an auto and one was a manual. Not every single race was in the wrong gear. But it all doesn't matter. I would love to see a procede with exhaust and similar mods I would post the loss just as fast as a win. But we will see on Nov 30 what our cars can put down. You were looking for an excuse to begin with .. and it shows by trying to push the point that they were in different gears. But do us all a favor and get your car dyno'd. So we can see what you have with just V2.
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That combination will give you 94 oct...
If you want 96 you will need a ratio of 6 gallons of 91oct and 9 gallons of a 100oct.
that should give you around 96.4oct.
i've been curious about this formula for a while. is there a set equation to calculate the end result for us. How do you know x gallons mixed with x gallons gives you x oct.

i would really appreciate a breakdown.
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I seriously doubt that. Sflgators car has V2 and 93 octane and was not as fast as my car with 356 whp..
To be fair, let's compare mods though. Although I do not have a dyno with just my PROcede v2.0.1, I'd be willing to bet that I currently have ~ 340+WHP just with PROcede v2 (based on what I had before with the old Vishnu XEDE and PROcede v1.47). Your 356WHP/415 lb.-ft. RWTQ is based on your AA XEDE custom tuned map, your exhaust, DPs, FMIC, and 1 or 2 little extra goodies there. Even you had said that you were impressed with how fast my car feels just with the PROcede v2 piggyback.
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i've been curious about this formula for a while. is there a set equation to calculate the end result for us. How do you know x gallons mixed with x gallons gives you x oct.

i would really appreciate a breakdown.

Basic math using averages.

For example:

5 gallon of 93 octane
3 gallon of 100 octane
8 total gallons

5 * 93 = 465
3 * 100 = 300
465 + 300 = 765
765 / 8 = 95.625

This is always a rough estimate as octane rating are never 100%.
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