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this is a total joke how do turbos fail in a week.......................................
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Just wanted to let everyone know my experience with Vargas Turbos . I recently purchased stage 1 turbos with billet compressor and thrust option installed Via Eurowerks. After about 300 miles on the turbos I started to see smoke come out my exhaust. I thought maybe it was my PCV system so I ordered the RB PCV upgraded and replaced it. drove another couple days on it, still smoking. I bring it back to eurowerks for inspection and there was oil leaking out out the back housing of the turbo. One of the turbos were in fact blown. I talked to Tony about the getting it warrantied and compensating me somehow because that means I would have to pay for labor AGAIN for the removal and install of another set of turbos after only driving on them a week. Of course he said no and gave me it's in black and white speech that he doesn't cover labor. He refused to help me out in anyway, (I know he doesn't have too) but it would've been nice to help a customer that just spent 3k on brand new turbos. So I requested a refund and that was a whole process as well. Just want to give a heads up to anyone purchasing Vargas turbos with my experience.
My main fear with purchasing upgraded twins is that you are essentially buying used turbos. Turbo bearings need to be properly lubricated through out the life of the turbo. Since the upgraders don't change the bearings, you are basically at the mercy of the previous owner's maintenance habits. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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I would like to simply give you my honest opinion on something that I have noticed for a while now... Based on my post count and join date, you'll notice I don't really post much, I'm more of a lurker..but..

Whenever someone comes on here and post negative reviews about your products or complain about anything that has to do with your stuff ( even if their version of the story is correct or not )-- your responses are always very un-professional and almost to the point where it's condescending.. I'm almost always shocked when reading some of your responses to negative feedback...
Again, this is from reading your responses to various other people also.. Not only this one.

The customer IS NOT always right, and we all know this... But man, I'll tell you, just from reading your stuff, I would be almost kinda nervous to buy something from you just Bc of your responses to people on here; even if those people are not correct- it makes me wonder...

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. I don't know if anyone has notice this or not, but again, just my 0.02.

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Mr. Vargas:

I would like to simply give you my honest opinion on something that I have noticed for a while now... Based on my post count and join date, you'll notice I don't really post much, I'm more of a lurker..but..

Whenever someone comes on here and post negative reviews about your products or complain about anything that has to do with your stuff ( even if their version of the story is correct or not )-- your responses are always very un-professional and almost to the point where it's condescending.. I'm almost always shocked when reading some of your responses to negative feedback...
Again, this is from reading your responses to various other people also.. Not only this one.

The customer IS NOT always right, and we all know this... But man, I'll tell you, just from reading your stuff, I would be almost kinda nervous to buy something from you just Bc of your responses to people on here; even if those people are not correct- it makes me wonder...

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. I don't know if anyone has notice this or not, but again, just my 0.02.

Take it easy man.
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Mr. Vargas:

I would like to simply give you my honest opinion on something that I have noticed for a while now... Based on my post count and join date, you'll notice I don't really post much, I'm more of a lurker..but..

Whenever someone comes on here and post negative reviews about your products or complain about anything that has to do with your stuff ( even if their version of the story is correct or not )-- your responses are always very un-professional and almost to the point where it's condescending.. I'm almost always shocked when reading some of your responses to negative feedback...
Again, this is from reading your responses to various other people also.. Not only this one.

The customer IS NOT always right, and we all know this... But man, I'll tell you, just from reading your stuff, I would be almost kinda nervous to buy something from you just Bc of your responses to people on here; even if those people are not correct- it makes me wonder...

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. I don't know if anyone has notice this or not, but again, just my 0.02.

Take it easy man.

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My main fear with purchasing upgraded twins is that you are essentially buying used turbos. Turbo bearings need to be properly lubricated through out the life of the turbo. Since the upgraders don't change the bearings, you are basically at the mercy of the previous owner's maintenance habits. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
This could not be further from the true. Upgraded turbos are basically brand new units. The only things reused are the housings which are extensively machined to accept the new wheels. Every internal part is replaced with a brand new part. For the people above who think we are unprofessional in our responses. I can think of really only 2 negative reviews here lately, both were written in an untrue manner, left out many facts, and were just plain misleading. When you spend so much of your time and effort building a business and a brand, and someone who was unwilling to be reasonable in any way shape or form. Its cases like this where politeness is left at the door and the facts are stating as they are. The customer flat out lied and said no one was willing to help, yet he received a full refund for the turbos and the labor. I apologized for the inconvenience in both my posts about this and wished the OP luck with his future purchases. If stating the facts as they are is rude, well then I guess I was rude. I will apologize again.
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This could not be further from the true. Upgraded turbos are basically brand new units. The only things reused are the housings which are extensively machined to accept the new wheels. Every internal part is replaced with a brand new part. For the people above who think we are unprofessional in our responses. I can think of really only 2 negative reviews here lately, both were written in an untrue manner, left out many facts, and were just plain misleading. When you spend so much of your time and effort building a business and a brand, and someone who was unwilling to be reasonable in any way shape or form. Its cases like this where politeness is left at the door and the facts are stating as they are. The customer flat out lied and said no one was willing to help, yet he received a full refund for the turbos and the labor. I apologized for the inconvenience in both my posts about this and wished the OP luck with his future purchases. If stating the facts as they are is rude, well then I guess I was rude. I will apologize again.
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I see no mention of a PCV and catch can needing to be upgraded on the Vargas site, or in the installation kit they sell.
Attachment, sent out with every set of turbos. A well working PCV system is extremely important to turbocharger function. Our warranty card states this as well, also sent out with every set. In talking with John at eurowerks during the process, he let me know he felt it was not the turbos as the oil was ONLY in the intake pipes and then pushed into the charge pipes, DP's were completely dry. This is usually a sign that oil is being pulled through the PCV system and into the intakes of the turbos and then into the charge piping. John as a fellow business owner asked me if I could please just refund the purchase price anyways so he could wash his hands as the customer was very difficult to deal with. We did so and that was that.
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Attachment, sent out with every set of turbos. A well working PCV system is extremely important to turbocharger function. Our warranty card states this as well, also sent out with every set. In talking with John at eurowerks during the process, he let me know he felt it was not the turbos as the oil was ONLY in the intake pipes and then pushed into the charge pipes, DP's were completely dry. This is usually a sign that oil is being pulled through the PCV system and into the intakes of the turbos and then into the charge piping. John as a fellow business owner asked me if I could please just refund the purchase price anyways so he could wash his hands as the customer was very difficult to deal with. We did so and that was that.
thats good on you to do.

but as u can see no good deed goes unpunished. what a shame...

OP why did u leave all this out
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FWIW i have met and spoke with John at Eurowerks and he seems like a stand up dude
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Good question, OP, why did you leave all that info out?
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Attachment, sent out with every set of turbos. A well working PCV system is extremely important to turbocharger function. Our warranty card states this as well, also sent out with every set.
Your warranty is also quite interesting. You implicitly state that your turbos are warrantied for a year (whereas purchased oems are warrantied for at least 2), and that if the vehicle is raced in any way, including; run way events, drag strips, or road courses, the warranty is voided. This type of policy makes sense coming from say BMW in regards to the oem units. However, I have to believe that anyone purchasing "upgraded" units is planing on driving the car hard, including racing. What's the use of buying and installing these upgraded units, when your afraid to drive the car hard?
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This could not be further from the true. Upgraded turbos are basically brand new units. The only things reused are the housings which are extensively machined to accept the new wheels. Every internal part is replaced with a brand new part. For the people above who think we are unprofessional in our responses.
Legally speaking, the only thing you can be held liable for is the claims made on your product, and it is:

"We take the OEM compressor housing, bearing housing, and turbine housing, carefully machining them to accept the TD04 15T compressor Wheel, and Custom TD04L turbine wheel with a full Garrett profile which utilizes the newest in turbocharger technology, no 15 year old wheel designs here. We then replace the factory waste gate arm and flapper valve with the 100% stainless steel version and include OEM actuators.

TD04 upgraded thrust: Every set of stage 2 turbos comes with a performance TD04 upgraded thrust to extend the life of the turbochargers"

No where in there is it stating that the actual bearings themselves are changed, essentially making the turbos used, by definition.
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Your warranty is also quite interesting. You implicitly state that your turbos are warrantied for a year (whereas purchased oems are warrantied for at least 2), and that if the vehicle is raced in any way, including; run way events, drag strips, or road courses, the warranty is voided. This type of policy makes sense coming from say BMW in regards to the oem units. However, I have to believe that anyone purchasing "upgraded" units is planing on driving the car hard, including racing. What's the use of buying and installing these upgraded units, when your afraid to drive the car hard?
bcuz ppl will try to push every last PSI out of stock frame turbos and then cry foul when they fail even though they were ran out of their efficiency range,

I think its comical all the ppl trying to get their turbos replaced by BMW when they fail after running 15-20 psi. and complaining when they get denied.. I wish BMW would tell them to get fucked lmao

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Attachment, sent out with every set of turbos. A well working PCV system is extremely important to turbocharger function. Our warranty card states this as well, also sent out with every set. In talking with John at eurowerks during the process, he let me know he felt it was not the turbos as the oil was ONLY in the intake pipes and then pushed into the charge pipes, DP's were completely dry. This is usually a sign that oil is being pulled through the PCV system and into the intakes of the turbos and then into the charge piping. John as a fellow business owner asked me if I could please just refund the purchase price anyways so he could wash his hands as the customer was very difficult to deal with. We did so and that was that.
Makes sense. Did Eurowerks not notice oil in the intake pipes before installing your turbos? I assume this issue would have been prevalent on the stock turbos as well. Either way seems like some steps were missed somewhere and people didn't listen or proper work on install was overlooked.
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I think its comical all the ppl trying to get their turbos replaced by BMW when they fail after running 15-20 psi. and complaining when they get denied.. I wish BMW would tell them to get fucked lmao
Take my oems for example. They were for all intents and purposes designed to push 8lbs of boost. I've been racing them on 19lbs, with no problems, all with proper maintenance. 10/06 build date, with 117K miles. As you can see, mine have been run at more than double the original boost without issues. You hear about oem failures more online, than in the real world. With proper maintenance, it's amazing what the stock units can do. We even saw the stock units loose by 2 car lengths to stage 2 turbos from both manufacturers at the last chicago runway event. That being said, there is no reason why vargas turbos can't take abuse for at least a year. Whether it's 18lbs or 25lbs, the amount of boost run is actually irrelevant. He's stating in the warranty that the units are voided once raced, no matter what boost level you were running. It just doesn't make sense.
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Take my oems for example. They were for all intents and purposes designed to push 8lbs of boost. I've been racing them on 19lbs, with no problems, all with proper maintenance. 10/06 build date, with 117K miles. As you can see, mine have been run at more than double the original boost without issues. You hear about oem failures more online, than in the real world. With proper maintenance, it's amazing what the stock units can do. We even saw the stock units loose by 2 car lengths to stage 2 turbos from both manufacturers at the last chicago runway event. That being said, there is no reason why vargas turbos can't take abuse for at least a year. Whether it's 18lbs or 25lbs, the amount of boost run is actually irrelevant. He's stating in the warranty that the units are voided once raced, no matter what boost level you were running. It just doesn't make sense.
oh.. i missunderstood.

thats a good point. my bad

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oh.. i missunderstood.

thats a good point. my bad

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