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      05-28-2014, 02:55 PM   #1
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Jb4 map 2 without DP?

Couldn't really find much on this, so I decided to make a thread about it.

Can you run map 2 without downpipes, on 93 octane? I know it's 'recommended' to have DP's, but I'm just curious. Tempted to try it, but if running map 2 will cause damage, I obviously won't do it.

Also, how did you guys with an e92 feed the USB cable from the jb4 into the cabin?
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Couldn't really find much on this, so I decided to make a thread about it.

Can you run map 2 without downpipes, on 93 octane? I know it's 'recommended' to have DP's, but I'm just curious. Tempted to try it, but if running map 2 will cause damage, I obviously won't do it.

Also, how did you guys with an e92 feed the USB cable from the jb4 into the cabin?
Never tried running map 2 before I had dp's - so I cannot speak to that.

Running the USB is super easy. It'll take you 15 minutes max.
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      05-28-2014, 03:32 PM   #3
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Where'd you run it through? I couldn't find an easy path from the ecu box
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      05-28-2014, 03:36 PM   #4
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Where'd you run it through? I couldn't find an easy path from the ecu box
There's a hole in the back of the ECU box, which leads right down under the glove compartment.

Check this DIY:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6557
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I guess you could as some have. Just have 93+ octane, maybe a booster. It works for some and feels sluggish to others.
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There's a hole in the back of the ECU box, which leads right down under the glove compartment.

Check this DIY:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6557
Sweet, thanks.
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I guess you could as some have. Just have 93+ octane, maybe a booster. It works for some and feels sluggish to others.
Nice, I'll give it a shot today.
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I ran Map 2 a few times racing others, def pulls harder that map 1 with stock downpipes. Im on 93 octane with cat back exhaust, intakes, and CP/BOV
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Nice, that's what I wanted to hear! Did you happen to log while running 93?
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I ran Map 2 a few times racing others, def pulls harder that map 1 with stock downpipes. Im on 93 octane with cat back exhaust, intakes, and CP/BOV
BOV...??? Are you an N54

Edit: just checked your threads, yes you're an N54.
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i don't think it will be much different result on N55. But i could be wrong..
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Quick note on running map 2 with OEM DP's:

I would not recommend doing this. Map 2 explicitly states to be used with aftermarket DP's. The reason that map can run higher boost is because of the reduced flow coefficient of the aftermarket dp's. You will risk killing your OEM's and clogging them up. Also subjecting your turbine housing to a higher pressure is also more detrimental because the 1200deg exhaust gasses cannot be rapidly removed from the housing.

Go buy the aftermarkets for a few extra dollars and truly experience the map 2 potential. Until then...run on Map 5. It will definitely create higher boost.
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Quick note on running map 2 with OEM DP's:

I would not recommend doing this. Map 2 explicitly states to be used with aftermarket DP's. The reason that map can run higher boost is because of the reduced flow coefficient of the aftermarket dp's. You will risk killing your OEM's and clogging them up. Also subjecting your turbine housing to a higher pressure is also more detrimental because the 1200deg exhaust gasses cannot be rapidly removed from the housing.

Go buy the aftermarkets for a few extra dollars and truly experience the map 2 potential. Until then...run on Map 5. It will definitely create higher boost.
You're saying map 5 with stock DP will create more boost than Map 2 w/ catless DP??

Will map 5 with Catless DP make more boost than Map 2 with Catless DP?
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Quick note on running map 2 with OEM DP's:

I would not recommend doing this. Map 2 explicitly states to be used with aftermarket DP's. The reason that map can run higher boost is because of the reduced flow coefficient of the aftermarket dp's. You will risk killing your OEM's and clogging them up. Also subjecting your turbine housing to a higher pressure is also more detrimental because the 1200deg exhaust gasses cannot be rapidly removed from the housing.

Go buy the aftermarkets for a few extra dollars and truly experience the map 2 potential. Until then...run on Map 5. It will definitely create higher boost.
That doesn't make any sense. You say you can't run map 2 without DP's because it will make too much boost with the DP restriction (there is no DP's, this is an N55). Yet later on you say go ahead and run map 5 because it will make more boost? Creating more boost will create even more heat, Pv=nRT.
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Yeah, that why I don't get why it's 'unsafe' to run map 2 without dp if you can run map 5 with a stock dp and theoretically achieve higher boost.
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Yeah, that why I don't get why it's 'unsafe' to run map 2 without dp if you can run map 5 with a stock dp and theoretically achieve higher boost.
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Yeah, that why I don't get why it's 'unsafe' to run map 2 without dp if you can run map 5 with a stock dp and theoretically achieve higher boost.
Is it really worth messing up your car? Why not just buy downpipes if you want to run map 2 that badly?
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Yeah, that why I don't get why it's 'unsafe' to run map 2 without dp if you can run map 5 with a stock dp and theoretically achieve higher boost.
You can achieve more boost on Map 5 (up to 17psi). However, Map 5 auto tunes based on mods, weather, etc... The less mods you have and the hotter it is outside the less boost you will achieve. You WILL NOT get 17 psi if you don't have the mods to support it.
That been said, using Map 2 or Map 5 on stock DPs will only increase back pressure, which will reduce the engine's efficiency.
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It's not necessarily about me wanting to run map 2 'badly.' It's more about the convenience that map 2 has over map 5. With map 2, everything is preset and ready go as soon as you put 93 octane in your car. With map 5, you have to 'guess' what blend you're putting in to some extent, constantly datalog to make sure your car is fine, and run the car at least 3 times in order for the car to adapt. So the question here is, what makes map 5 safer than map 2 without a dp if map 5 ultimately allows your car to run more boost?
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That doesn't make any sense. You say you can't run map 2 without DP's because it will make too much boost with the DP restriction (there is no DP's, this is an N55). Yet later on you say go ahead and run map 5 because it will make more boost? Creating more boost will create even more heat, Pv=nRT.
Sorry, I stepped over myself in that message. I meant to say that map 5 will create more boost that map 1 and IMO creates a better feel of power.

Secondly, Map 5 will make less boost than Map 2, however in my trails (I did switch on Map 2 for a short period of time) and still felt like the car pulled harder on map 5. I cannot back up this statement with logs, however I can just state my opinion by feel of the car.
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I ran map 2 before I got downpipes for a while with 0 issues, did it pull harder then map 1? Hell ya!! Night and day.
Now I have intercooler downpipes dci and always run on map 5. There's no comparison on how much harder my car pulls on map 5, if I put it to map 2 just doesn't have that same kick.
I'm an n54 btw.
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