Dinan 335i software release announced! Official Details inside... - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

Seattle335 · 12-06-2007, 11:21 AM

PLEASE SEE THIS THREAD FOR OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE/SPECS FROM DINAN:

==> http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100630

My service advisor just emailed me this info - also, disclaimer from me - I personally despise Dinan products - I'm running a Procede on my 335...

'Dinan is proud to announce the long awaited 335i software is now available on the December 10th MIPP card. The software enhances throttle response, removes the top speed governor, and will bring the car up to 384hp @ 5700rpm and 421tq @ 4300rpm. We will require that the vehicle have either a factory BMW oil cooler our oil cooler installed to install the software. We will be contacting you soon to pre-sale these as well. Pricing on the software and oil cooler will come in the following days as we get it. So call your customer and start scheduling appointments.'

Details:
Availability: Monday, December 10th
Price: $1999.00 (reflash only)
Warranty: Only offer warranty that matches New Car Limited Warranty (NO Extended Warranty coverage)
Requirements: OEM or DINAN oil cooler installed.

picus · 12-06-2007, 11:22 AM

Funny about the oil cooler.

orientblue3 · 12-06-2007, 11:24 AM

Price?

bronco · 12-06-2007, 11:29 AM

+1 We need the price!

octaveshift · 12-06-2007, 11:38 AM

Interesting numbers if accurate. I assume this means the Steptronic can handle a bit more torque than people had originally thought, eh?

omg516 · 12-06-2007, 11:44 AM

That has to be flywheel hp, correct?

NYCGarbagePrince · 12-06-2007, 11:46 AM

Yes, dinan always shows crank #'s

Sniz · 12-06-2007, 11:54 AM

those are still pretty good #'s! Who wants to take a guess at the price? I'm saying $2,200 w out their oil cooler. $3,000 w/ the oil cooler

Driver72 · 12-06-2007, 11:55 AM

Wonder how they computed those crank power numbers?

384 hp
421 tq

If they are figuring about 14% drivetrain loss for a 6MT that would be roughly:

330 rwhp
362 rwtq

In the range of a PROcede v1.47 6MT car on 93 Octane (but about 10 rwtq less than procede car).
If they tested it on 91 Octane, then they are about 5 rwhp and 5 rwtq more than PROcede v1.47 car.

Not too bad, but I'm sure pricing will be high but I'll guess it's $1995 stand alone.
Oil cooler retrofits for early model cars should be free (as they have been for those people with sport option who've bitched and moaned to BMW about it.)

MSimeon · 12-06-2007, 12:09 PM

6K at least. lol

remydlc · 12-06-2007, 12:19 PM

$300 + kidney

5soko335i · 12-06-2007, 12:24 PM

this is very interesting.
i wonder how the dynos look for this thing.
thanks for the info, if its true. hopefully dec. 10th will bring some info out.

TurboFan · 12-06-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Driver72

Wonder how they computed those crank power numbers?

384 hp
421 tq

If they are figuring about 14% drivetrain loss for a 6MT that would be roughly:

330 rwhp
362 rwtq

In the range of a PROcede v1.47 6MT car on 93 Octane (but about 10 rwtq less than procede car).
If they tested it on 91 Octane, then they are about 5 rwhp and 5 rwtq more than PROcede v1.47 car.

Not too bad, but I'm sure pricing will be high but I'll guess it's $1995 stand alone.
Oil cooler retrofits for early model cars should be free (as they have been for those people with sport option who've bitched and moaned to BMW about it.)

Pull the engine and put it on an engine dyno? It's possible. With what they have at their disposal, it's what I'd hope they did.

slubu · 12-06-2007, 12:26 PM

Shouldn't the torque curve be flatter? Well maybe it is...but I would hate to lose the linear aspect of the stock 335i

TurboFan · 12-06-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slubu

Shouldn't the torque curve be flatter? Well maybe it is...but I would hate to lose the linear aspect of the stock 335i

One would venture a guess that BMW has tuned the car for a flat torque curve, and thereby cut power at many points in the rev range. I think anyone that tunes the engine is going to narrow the peak in serach of more power. A simple flash or piggyback isn't going to be able to keep the flat curve and elevate it 80 hp. That would require top and bottom end work on the engine.

slubu · 12-06-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboFan

One would venture a guess that BMW has tuned the car for a flat torque curve, and thereby cut power at many points in the rev range. I think anyone that tunes the engine is going to narrow the peak in serach of more power. A simple flash or piggyback isn't going to be able to keep the flat curve and elevate it 80 hp. That would require top and bottom end work on the engine.

Thanks for the explanation, makes sense now. My question then becomes in order to increase at peak, does it reduce elsewhere or just keep it constant. In other words would it go from 300 to 250 lbft torque at 2000 rpms for example, so that it can go from 300 to 350 lbft torque at 4500 rpms?

Mr. 5 · 12-06-2007, 12:30 PM

The peak torque is at 4300 rpm? That seems a pretty high rpm to peak torque. 3400 rpm sounds sounds more like it.

Former_Boosted_IS · 12-06-2007, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slubu

Thanks for the explanation, makes sense now. My question then becomes in order to increase at peak, does it reduce elsewhere or just keep it constant. In other words would it go from 300 to 250 lbft torque at 2000 rpms for example, so that it can go from 300 to 350 lbft torque at 4500 rpms?

Definitely not. That is all in the tune.

nyc335i · 12-06-2007, 12:45 PM

this should be interesting can wait till someone gets one and reviews.

jpsimon · 12-06-2007, 01:13 PM

low numbers for something that is going to cost an arm and a leg. andddddddd i'll pass.

ArmyBimmerDude · 12-06-2007, 01:21 PM

Well this is what all the warranty nuts have been waiting for. Personally for those numbers, I'd spend $500 on a Turbo tuner and call it a day.

sflgator · 12-06-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

Yes, dinan always shows crank #'s

That's what many ppl were predicting from the Dinan ECU Flash...about PROcede v1.47 power (minus some TQ)...who wants to bet it's > $1,995?

12-06-2007, 11:21 AM	#1
Seattle335 Private Drives: 2007 335 6-spd sedan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 69 iTrader: (0) View Seattle335's Garage	Dinan 335i software release announced! Official Details inside... PLEASE SEE THIS THREAD FOR OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE/SPECS FROM DINAN: ==> http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100630 My service advisor just emailed me this info - also, disclaimer from me - I personally despise Dinan products - I'm running a Procede on my 335... 'Dinan is proud to announce the long awaited 335i software is now available on the December 10th MIPP card. The software enhances throttle response, removes the top speed governor, and will bring the car up to 384hp @ 5700rpm and 421tq @ 4300rpm. We will require that the vehicle have either a factory BMW oil cooler our oil cooler installed to install the software. We will be contacting you soon to pre-sale these as well. Pricing on the software and oil cooler will come in the following days as we get it. So call your customer and start scheduling appointments.' Details: Availability: Monday, December 10th Price: $1999.00 (reflash only) Warranty: Only offer warranty that matches New Car Limited Warranty (NO Extended Warranty coverage) Requirements: OEM or DINAN oil cooler installed. __________________ 2007 335 Pro 6-Spd - Silver/Black 2008 C6 Z06 - Machine silver/black 2007 997 TT 6-Spd - Black/Black (SOLD) 2006 IS350 - Silver/Black 2007 328 - Graphite/Black

12-06-2007, 11:22 AM	#2
picus Detailing Geek Drives: e92 SG 335i Coupe Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 3,937 iTrader: (0)	Funny about the oil cooler. __________________

12-06-2007, 11:24 AM	#3
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12-06-2007, 11:29 AM	#4
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12-06-2007, 11:46 AM	#7
NYCGarbagePrince Captain Drives: X6 50i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 951 iTrader: (0)	Yes, dinan always shows crank #'s __________________ Black Sapphire X6 50i - Delivered 11/12/09 - Sport Package, Premium Package, Cold Weather Package, 7RR Performance Upgrade

12-06-2007, 11:38 AM	#5
octaveshift Checkraising with air.... Drives: '07 335xi Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 67 iTrader: (0)	Interesting numbers if accurate. I assume this means the Steptronic can handle a bit more torque than people had originally thought, eh?

12-06-2007, 11:44 AM	#6
omg516 Colonel Sanders Drives: 07 e90 335i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 572 iTrader: (0)	That has to be flywheel hp, correct?

12-06-2007, 11:54 AM	#8
Sniz Major General Drives: e92 335 - gone // e36 M3 turbo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 7,136 iTrader: (1)	those are still pretty good #'s! Who wants to take a guess at the price? I'm saying $2,200 w out their oil cooler. $3,000 w/ the oil cooler __________________

12-06-2007, 11:55 AM	#9
Driver72 Brigadier General Drives: 335i - to new owners now. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 4,483 iTrader: (0)	Wonder how they computed those crank power numbers? 384 hp 421 tq If they are figuring about 14% drivetrain loss for a 6MT that would be roughly: 330 rwhp 362 rwtq In the range of a PROcede v1.47 6MT car on 93 Octane (but about 10 rwtq less than procede car). If they tested it on 91 Octane, then they are about 5 rwhp and 5 rwtq more than PROcede v1.47 car. Not too bad, but I'm sure pricing will be high but I'll guess it's $1995 stand alone. Oil cooler retrofits for early model cars should be free (as they have been for those people with sport option who've bitched and moaned to BMW about it.)

12-06-2007, 12:09 PM	#10
MSimeon Second Lieutenant Drives: E92 335I Black SAP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: San Bruno CA Posts: 262 iTrader: (1)	6K at least. lol __________________ Ordered 4-25-07 Delivered 7-20-07 E92 335i black sapphire metallic, sport, premium, and Navi. JB3, K&N Drop in. Previous Ride: 2004 Silverstone 350Z enthusiast. APS TT Built Motor at 12PSI. 467rwhp and 413 rwtq. Tuned at ZCARGARAGE. (Missed, but never forgotten)

12-06-2007, 12:19 PM	#11
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12-06-2007, 12:24 PM	#12
5soko335i Brigadier General Drives: E60 M5/E92 335i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: S. CALI Posts: 3,032 iTrader: (0)	this is very interesting. i wonder how the dynos look for this thing. thanks for the info, if its true. hopefully dec. 10th will bring some info out.

12-06-2007, 12:26 PM	#14
slubu Never Go Full Retard Drives: White Lightning Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Agrestic Posts: 1,828 iTrader: (1)	Shouldn't the torque curve be flatter? Well maybe it is...but I would hate to lose the linear aspect of the stock 335i __________________ 2008 335i

12-06-2007, 12:30 PM	#17
Mr. 5 Super Duper Moderator Drives: around with 2 baby seats Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Surf City, HB Posts: 6,679 iTrader: (26) View Mr. 5's Garage	The peak torque is at 4300 rpm? That seems a pretty high rpm to peak torque. 3400 rpm sounds sounds more like it. __________________ Quickest 1/4 Mile 6MT 335i at 11.80 GIAC Stage 2+...Snow Performance Meth...AE HFC Exhaust...Macht Schnell 3" DPs...AA Intercooler...Wavetrac LSD...Cool Carbon Brakes...ACT Clutch...BMW Performance Suspension...M3 Sway Bars...M3 Wishbone Links...M3 Tension Links...M3 Strut Brace

12-06-2007, 12:45 PM	#19
nyc335i Second Lieutenant Drives: BMW 335i Join Date: May 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 219 iTrader: (0)	this should be interesting can wait till someone gets one and reviews.

12-06-2007, 01:13 PM	#20
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12-06-2007, 01:21 PM	#21
ArmyBimmerDude Major General Drives: Lola Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,320 iTrader: (3) View ArmyBimmerDude's Garage	Well this is what all the warranty nuts have been waiting for. Personally for those numbers, I'd spend $500 on a Turbo tuner and call it a day. __________________ 2007 E92 Montego Blue 335i 2009 E88 Crimson Red 135i