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      12-07-2007, 01:29 AM   #23
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Shucks the JB2R IAT manipulation doesn't make the cut as a unique high-end feature?
OK fine. I don't follow the JB threads at all, sorry. They don't interest me at all.

All the more reason for Jason to create sub-forums for the different tunes. It would cut down on the petty squabbles by a huge amount...
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Shucks the JB2R IAT manipulation doesn't make the cut as a unique high-end feature?
And FWIW, I consider the JB2R a high end tune, obviously, for the power it's producing...
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Me too. I am sure the Helix is the best thing since sliced bread and is super cheap, but unless someone is going to back up the videos with dyno charts showing some serious power increases over the well-published PROcede 1.47 dynos, I'm going to have to call the video

The reason is that there's no "magic bullet" here guys. There's nothing significantly different about any of the high-end tunes (except for direct boost control on PROcede V2). So none of them really have an advantage (except gearing between the MT an AT) over the other that would explain how bad the camera car got walked. Which is why this is

The only way that those videos are legit is if the Helix was making at least 40-60whpwhtq more than the camera car (or the camera car was stock). You can't walk a competitor like that without considerably more power - I mean, it wasn't even close.

So, unless this is all BS, stop screwing around and just take the car to a dyno and let's see the numbers!! It's the best way to back up the video and only costs you $60 (at the most).
+1 - this reminds me of that huge upset race when the xede beat the procede 2.01 then it turned out they were in different gears lol... i don't doubt the helix, i do doubt the exactness of this race but honestly 1.47 never really did it for me, i think 1.48 will be much better and we all have seen 2.02 is excellent.
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OK fine. I don't follow the JB threads at all, sorry. They don't interest me at all.

All the more reason for Jason to create sub-forums for the different tunes. It would cut down on the petty squabbles by a huge amount...
Heh I was just joking around with you. The main difference is going to be in boost levels IMHO. You need to know the boost and octane of each to get a good feeling. I'm also not sure how the Helix boost curve is setup. It could hold strong to redline, or could drop off at high rpm.
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+1 - this reminds me of that huge upset race when the xede beat the procede 2.01 then it turned out they were in different gears lol... i don't doubt the helix, i do doubt the exactness of this race but honestly 1.47 never really did it for me, i think 1.48 will be much better and we all have seen 2.02 is excellent.
Yeah these races and videos are a lot of fun but don't always show much. I could go find some sucker with V2 and stomp him on video (sfgator busy this weekend?), but does that really prove anything?

I prefer track times, or same day dynos. I've also come to the conclusion that autos are a lot faster in both 1/4 mile races and rolling races.
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Yeah these races and videos are a lot of fun but don't always show much. I could go find some sucker with V2 and stomp him on video (sfgator busy this weekend?), but does that really prove anything?

I prefer track times, or same day dynos. I've also come to the conclusion that autos are a lot faster in both 1/4 mile races and rolling races.
^ Cheers to that :O) Your videos against WALKEDU aka the sherminator... were pretty solid considering the repetition and number of attendees... even though the two cars were about as different as they come outside of the piggybacks :P
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^ Cheers to that :O) Your videos against maxboost were pretty solid considering the repetition and number of atendees... even though the two cars were about as different as they come outside of the piggybacks :P
You mean WalkedU? Yeah that was a lot of fun. I'm going to demod my car a bit to give these local V2 guys a chance. It's just not fair.
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You mean WalkedU? Yeah that was a lot of fun. I'm going to demod my car a bit to give these local V2 guys a chance. It's just not fair.
Are you going to the Sat, Jan 5th Street Legal Drags at Fontana? These are rare events in So Cal. We should go early as possible in the A.M. Hopefully some Procedes will come along. And it would be nice to have some Turbo Tuners do some runs also. Same day, same track. I went by there yesterday, and it was 75F at 5pm, hopefully it will be cooler in January.
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It's really insane reading these forums. I mean seriously, if you don't step back and check reality, you'd think everyone was running a tune producing 375-400whp and that's just NOT the case! Most of the cars I run into are bone stock and have no idea what hit them. I don't know what it's like where you guys drive, but the only way I'm losing a race is to dedicated 2-seat sports car with way over 400whp. Other than the occasional new Vette or upper-end AMG/M-car, it's just not gonna happen. Of course there are Evos that will take you down low, but you're gonna pass them eventually! Obviously above 110mph it's going to be tough with the supercars, but I'm not doing that around here, and the torque of any tuned 335i is what gets you ahead below 100mph... The odds of running into something faster where I drive is just so low it's laughable. i'm a very happy camper with the car as it is right now.
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isn't gearing in 3rd for the MT different than gearing in 3rd for AT??
i'm pretty sure it is. that's why they should have the same transmission.
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It's really insane reading these forums. I mean seriously, if you don't step back and check reality, you'd think everyone was running a tune producing 375-400whp and that's just NOT the case! Most of the cars I run into are bone stock and have no idea what hit them. I don't know what it's like where you guys drive, but the only way I'm losing a race is to dedicated 2-seat sports car with way over 400whp. Other than the occasional new Vette or upper-end AMG/M-car, it's just not gonna happen. Of course there are Evos that will take you down low, but you're gonna pass them eventually! Obviously above 110mph it's going to be tough with the supercars, but I'm not doing that around here, and the torque of any tuned 335i is what gets you ahead below 100mph... The odds of running into something faster where I drive is just so low it's laughable. i'm a very happy camper with the car as it is right now.
Yup, ran another Black SVT Cobra yesterday...around a 2003?, he had exhaust and ??, and some MNE Motor? sticker. We ran up to around 100mph, and he couldn't pull at all. In fact, I was ahead the whole time. We tried about 3x, same results. Finally he just gave up and turned. Bet he was surprised!
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It's really insane reading these forums. I mean seriously, if you don't step back and check reality, you'd think everyone was running a tune producing 375-400whp and that's just NOT the case! Most of the cars I run into are bone stock and have no idea what hit them. I don't know what it's like where you guys drive, but the only way I'm losing a race is to dedicated 2-seat sports car with way over 400whp. Other than the occasional new Vette or upper-end AMG/M-car, it's just not gonna happen. Of course there are Evos that will take you down low, but you're gonna pass them eventually! Obviously above 110mph it's going to be tough with the supercars, but I'm not doing that around here, and the torque of any tuned 335i is what gets you ahead below 100mph... The odds of running into something faster where I drive is just so low it's laughable. i'm a very happy camper with the car as it is right now.
+1 i share your enthusiasm!
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You mean WalkedU? Yeah that was a lot of fun. I'm going to demod my car a bit to give these local V2 guys a chance. It's just not fair.
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Sure seems like they ending up running 2nd gear (auto) vs 3rd gear (manual)
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Sure seems like they ending up running 2nd gear (auto) vs 3rd gear (manual)
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1st race def sounded like the auto was in 2nd.

2nd race sounded like the auto was in 3rd but the cede was in 4th?
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yeah that video was bs.. no way the helix is THAT much faster
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Yup, ran another Black SVT Cobra yesterday...around a 2003?, he had exhaust and ??, and some MNE Motor? sticker. We ran up to around 100mph, and he couldn't pull at all. In fact, I was ahead the whole time. We tried about 3x, same results. Finally he just gave up and turned. Bet he was surprised!
do you have any mods?
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Next time do the runs from 80-120, we'll see what happens when both cars are in 3rd gear and its an actual race... Clowns.
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I find this video very hard to believe.

The Helix car pulled on the PROcede 335 almost as hard as the 997 Turbo pulled on my PROcede 1.47. No way the Helix is making that much power!

Go ahead and flame, but I'm calling this
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I find this video very hard to believe.

The Helix car pulled on the PROcede 335 almost as hard as the 997 Turbo pulled on my PROcede 1.47. No way the Helix is making that much power!

Go ahead and flame, but I'm calling this
like i said, looks just like that video when the exede walked the hell out of the 2.01 procede and it turned out that the exede car was rolling in a lower gear the way he just explodes outa there, more likely to be gear differences than piggyback... most races we see with two 335i's and different piggybacks, the first gear in the race is neck and neck, it isnt until they shift and hit a nice full gear that one car starts to pull...
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