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      07-07-2011, 07:59 PM   #66
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Originally Posted by 11Series View Post
Oh, OK. You want to play games.

So let's apply that same principle to John "Boner" and the current Republican House.

What Jobs Bill has "The Boner" and the Republican House successfully negotiated to pass through the Senate with his Senate colleagues? Nothing. Nada. Zippo.

What Abortion Bill has The Boner and the Republicans successfully negotiated to pass through the Senate with his Senate colleagues? Nothing. Nada. Zippo.

I can continue on and on and on, since The Boner and the Republican House has been a complete and utter FAILURE according to your standard, with less than 15% of House legislation actually getting passed by the Senate. There has been absolutely NO legislation of any merit. That 15% is mostly silly unsubstantial stuff, like bills to name buildings or declare official days of recognition. Like official Pig-Humping Day in Po-Dunk Nowhere's-ville.
You are assuming I think Mr. Boehner is a good leader. I do not. But then, I am not about to vote for him for president either. I do happen to agree with some of his positions on the debt limit. That is, I think it would be great to cut the federal budget and using the debt limit as a bargaining chip is a good way to accomplish this.

Also, you continue to point fingers at republican incompetence instead of dealing with Obama's or the debt limit discussions. Saying someone else is just as stupid does not make your man seem smarter. If anything it looks to me like you are conceding the point that Obama is as ineffective a leader of Mr. Boehner.

Originally Posted by 11Series View Post
Compare the Republican House's success rates in leading bills through Congress with Obama's:

Obama got the largest Health Care reform passed in modern history. Clinton tried and couldn't pull off this legislation, and you just said Clinton was the guy who had the great skills!!

Obama got Don't Ask, Don't Tell reversal legislation passed, a major historic piece of legislation. Clinton (the guy you said had great skills) was the guy who passed this into law, because he couldn't make as good a deal as Obama made! Clinton didn't want any ban on gays, but he lost and had to sign Don't Ask Don't Tell to avoid a Republican out-right ban on gays in the military. Again, Obama passed the law Clinton couldn't!

Obama got his Economic Stimulus passed, another major piece of legislation.

Obama got the Hate Crime bill passed to expand federal definition to include gender, sexual orientation, gender identity and disability.

There are huge differences between what Clinton tried to pass in his health care reform bill and what Obama actually passed. Clinton wanted to pass universal health care, like what Europe and Canada have. Obama's bill simply requires you to buy insurance and gives incentives to businesses to cut your health care (in that the tax penalty is a lot less money than the cost of health care annually).

Here are the Wikis:

Also, passing economic stimulus is not really that impressive. Hell Bush passed two different forms of it. Not that either his or Obama's were at all effective, we are still at 9% unemployment.

What about DADT? Oh wait, its not effective until the President, the Secretary of Defense, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff certify that repeal will not harm military readiness, followed by a 60-day waiting period. It has taken an order from the judiciary to keep the military from enforcing it. What a victory! Don't believe me? Read the wiki:,_don%27t_tell

Originally Posted by 11Series View Post
And I KNOW you guys hate all this stuff. It all makes you guys twitch uncontrollably. It makes you thrash around on the ground and shout SOCIALIST!!! at the top of your lungs until your tongues bleed. So based on your own definition, Obama's __The Man__ to get these passed.

Clearly the failed politician who can't get anything passed through the Senate via negotiation is John "Boner" and the Republicans. (According to your own made-up standard.) Where's the Jobs Bill, Boner???

Thanks for that handy definition of failure for use against John Boner and the Republicans.

I'm awaiting your name-calling and subject-changing responses with bated-breath.
Again, I don't think Boehner is any better a leader than Obama. But then, as I said above, I am not about to vote for him for president in 2012 either. My statement was that Obama is a bad leader and a bad president. I stand by it. I never claimed Boehner is a good speaker of the house. Simply disliking one particular Democrat does not make me a promoter of some random Republican straw man you decide to choose. It also does not make Obama any better a president or leader.
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