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      09-28-2012, 02:37 PM   #66

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Originally Posted by shrink View Post
15 years ago huh? 2 years ago, i had so much snow where I live (just outside Edinburgh, so not like deepest mongolia) That my 5 series at the time, sat inside a snow drift for 3 weeks!

I couldnt go anywhere, drive anywhere or even get the car out until it stopped snowing for more than 2 days.

This was november 2010, and yes theres a 5 series on 18's under there. The snow was so high in one shot, that you cant even see the wheels. Some of you need to get out of surrey now and again and see that not everywhere is Sun and Wimbledon all year round!
Yay, let's base all our decisions based on extremes! The 2010 winter was the coldest since records began in 1910.

BTW, I'm getting my entire house decked out with air conditioning ready for next summer because in 1976 we had the hottest summer on record.

Before 2010, nobody even spoke about winter tyres. Since 2010, people think they're a necessity because 2010 was a massively cold winter compared to normal. 2011 winter was a UK average winter, cloudy, wet, a bit cold and a bit of minor snow for a couple of days, so was the 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006 winters etc etc - yet the winter tyres crew never seem to remember them, they always bring up the 2010 winter.

Most UK winters aren't harsh, but people seem to base all of their decisions on extremes, because this is what they remember most clearly.

I remember last year, most people with snow tyres went out in the 2 days of snow deliberately to drive around in it - i guess to justify a purchase that was otherwise unjustifiable. Some even admitted that the tyres weren't worth it.

Lots of people mention 7c as the cross over point (propagated by tyre manufacturers - you know, the ones who want to flog you an 800 set of tyres?), but tests have shown that this is much closer to 3c. Tests have also shown good summer tyres are far supreme to winters in the dry, even in the coldest conditions. In wet, 3c conditions, the decent summer tyres come close to matching winter tyres. However, in the snow, winter tyres win hands down. If we got more snow in the UK, i would get winters, because this is where they far outshine summer tyres, but since most winters are cold and wet, the difference between good summer tyres and winter tyres is no where near enough to justify the:

A) hassle of getting new rims
B) storage of wheels
C) paying 500-800 for a new set of tyres
D) Having significantly less grip in dry conditions, or wet conditions above about 5c.

There were people last year who fitted their tyres when it was still between about 10-15c everywhere in England! Even with their over optimistic 7c cross over mark, 10-15c on winter tyres leads to significantly less grip.