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      12-07-2018, 02:59 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal View Post
Yeah first encountered the problem at that date [11/14], when it was about -10c. This morning [12/7] it was -14c. Problem did not occur until today as it hasn't really been past -8c ...when I come back from work it is usually hotter outside and it works ok.
This morning I kind of tried to push it down and wiggle it to maybe crack the ice or whatever was holding it, no luck.

I tried lowering my passenger window from the driver switch, and I could hear it move for like .2 seconds as if it was trying to push through, but driver side I wasn't really hearing anything I recall. I did not try moving my mirrors...Yes I have INPA and ISTA, I think I'll need to reinstall them. tho.
Sounds like a temperature-related ELECTRICAL issue rather than mechanical issue (NOT frozen water/ice, or even sticking regulator. If it were a "frozen water" issue, sitting overnight in <0C temps would cause the problem, but you say it doesn't occur unless temp is <-8C, so there seems to be something "electrically-magic" about -8C. Got a power inverter (12VDC to 115V AC), and a heatgun? Try using that to heat up the Switch Cluster (without frying the uphostery/trim ;-).

During your ownership, have you noticed any other intermittent issues with the Driver Door Switch Cluster?

I assume you have tried to open the window AFTER starting the engine and the switch cluster button still doesn't do anything even when system voltage is ~ 14.5V rather than the ~12.5V without engine/alternator running?

Try operating each exterior mirror from the Driver Switch Cluster, both when the driver window is OK, and when it is not. What results?

I'm NOT familiar with the coupe cluster controls; Does the Driver Door Switch Cluster control anything OTHER than the front windows and mirrors? If so, try same drill as mirrors described above. Keep in mind that this Cluster is using the LIN-BUS to send signals to the FRM to control the windows & mirrors, so any communication error in the LIN-BUS would cause the intermittent problem you describe. INPA would probably show some type of communication Fault in FRM memory.

Here are TIS circuit diagrams for (1) Power Window Inputs and (2) Exterior Mirrors for your 2011 335i E92:
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...inputs/uLU1dRI
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...irrors/vBs9cBm

Also, it would be key to isolating the cause to the driver switch cluster to try operating the passenger window from the passenger door switch. If you had INPA running, you could activate the driver door window directly via your computer keyboard and bypass the Driver Switch Cluster, further isolating the problem.

IDEA 2.0:
Since the intermittent fault appears to clearly be related to ambient temp, and metal (think electrical contacts/ wires ;-) contracts with reduced temp, quite possibly a loose/ broken contact/ wire. Linked below is the X257 connector at the front of Driver Door where the LIN-BUS wire from the Door Switch Cluster connects to wiring that goes to the FRM. If I had your issue, I would be particularly interested in the White/Brown wire (LIN_BUS) that goes from Pin #4 of Connector X10725 of the Cluster (A23b) or "Switch block" to Pin #6 of Connector X257 at the door front, and then to Pin #23 of Connector X14260 at the FRM.

TIS X257 Wiring Diagram:
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...7-x257/bkU1A9q

X257 Installation Location:
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e92-335i-cou/RHEGwIv

X257 Connector View:
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...i-cou/CTDOrVKY

Maybe point that heat gun at X257 instead?

Please let us know what you find,
George
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