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      11-05-2012, 07:37 PM   #298

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Originally Posted by incantana View Post
That logic could be extrapolated to other areas such as welfare. Why should I be forced to deplete my resources by a third party (liberals) for something that I will never utilize?

The reason that conservatives believe abortion is wrong has nothing to do with freedom of choice and everything to do with the constitution. The constitution guarantees us the right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Conservatives believe that a 6month old unborn child who could be born and breath on their own is in fact a human. As a human it has the right to life.

Just as I do not have the CHOICE to go murder someone because I would be depriving them of life, the argument goes that by killing the baby you are depriving it of life.

Liberals do not believe the baby is a human being. That is how they justify abortion.

Conservatives believe it is a human and is thus protected by the constitution. Abortion is denying unborn American's their right to life. Conservative do not see it as a choice issue any more than killing any other person is a choice.

I do find it ironic that liberals are all for promoting abortion but by in large go frantic at the idea of the death penalty. Lets see....kill an unborn child...ok! Kill a serial rapist....thats terrible!
The state government charges the state to maintain services that it provides for the state.
They are available to you whenever you need them.
If you don't pay, you get the stick.

You also don't get anything from the insurance company unless you need their help.
But you're still paying all the time.
You pay for 'availability' of service, not service.
And if you don't pay, you get booted off.

So long as you're a citizen of the state, you have this state government service availability, and you're expected to pay your rightful share.
You can always relinquish your citizenship, ssn, etc, and not pay for welfare.

But in general, I agree with you.
You should have the ability to opt out and not have a service, and not pay its associated tax burden.

Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness applies to women too.
You don't get to take another person's freedom to make them work for you.
That's big government if there ever was any, and it's the government getting into personal/family matters.
Conservatives are against big government, and government running your personal life.

People are complex machines.
They take time to build.
You don't have a person because you started making one.
You simply have a person in progress.

Some people say there's 'potential' there that needs to be preserved.
But I say that I had the 'potential' to be an astronaut.
My obituary isn't gonna say that "we lost an astronaut", it's gonna say "some a-hole died".
Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda ... doesn't matter what you could have done.

Life at conception is a religious view, stemming from a canonical need to multiply, and the concept of a soul.
It's not a "conservative" value.

Liberals tend to favor the rights of the living over the rights of the yet to be around. Go figure.

Personally, to me, life is intelligence.

As a species, we as a group have differentiated ourselves from other "animals" by our judgment that our "intelligence" is above some threshold. That we think and feel at another level, and that our level of awareness makes any suffering that we endure particularly heinous. Hence you slaughter a cow, but can't punch a person.
Personally, I don't see a 'glob' in someone's stomach as intelligent, so to me, it's not a person - yet.

I prefer to focus on the intelligent 'person' that's alive, and fully conscious of her state of being in society, and the world in general. Someone who will know that they are being oppressed, and will have to go through the mental torment of having her liberty taken away.
I wouldn't sacrifice a 'persons' life/freedom/liberty/pursuit of happiness, and turn her into a state controlled incubator - for the mere satisfaction of other 'persons' [who have no domain in the matter to begin with].


Last edited by scheherazade; 11-05-2012 at 08:01 PM.