[OpenFlash]

The idea of relying on "closes loop timing control" to do the job of the tuner/calibrator is poor form. And if either Mike@n54 or Terry had more tuning experience, I would expect them to agree. The idea of tuning any closed loop system is to dial in the raw tables/compensations so as to minimize reactive closed loop corrections. This is done when controlling boost, fuel and timing. With timing control being the least tolerant positive error. Defending the undefensable suggests either ignorance or the attempt to maliciously deceive. These are facts and no one can change that.