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07-21-2012, 10:41 AM | #1 |
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Gun possession. yes or no?
i know this might angry some coming from a non American that doesnt know the situation/culture in the U.S, but looking at the events last yesterday with the Aurora killings i thought i may ask.
dont you find that being able to buy guns and ammo freely, i mean this guy bought a lot of ammo and guns all legal, is damaging to the society? wouldnt gun control assist in reducing crime? someone might argue that "the bad guys" would still find guns, which is true. But it will also prevent events like someones gets angry at their teacher and then takes a gun killing people in schools and such. i would like to here your point of view on this? Should gun pocession be illegal? why? why not?
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There is gun control in the way, that you need to take certain steps in acquiring a gun. Depends on the state. I told my buddy who live in Texas, that that would never happen there because every in that state is pretty much armed.
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What does gun control matter when we have our government feeding US guns to the bad guys in Mexico?
I'm a huge gun enthusiast but will be the first to say that this country is fucked and in a steep downward slope at the moment.
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Every time there is an event like this, this question is always brought up. The same way after 9-11 you could argue that planes should be illegal. Or after that driver in Brazil ran over countless bikers who were in his way, that cars should be illegal. There will always be bad people in the world, criminalizing guns is not an effective way to stop them. |
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I don't know a lot about Colorado gun laws, but I know that they are pretty liberal about it. I assume, like Texas, they have background checks before you are able to obtain the weapon. In the case of the Aurora shooting, there were little precautionary steps that could of been taken. The shooter had no criminal record, in either California or Colorado. |
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If an outraged student or coworker really wants to cause problems, and guns are gone, I think people will turn back to poison or explosives for mass murders. It really wouldn't be hard considering mass transit, sporting events and the like, so your question is a moot point. Guns are only the mechanism. People are the cause of the deaths. When swords were the most effective weapon, everyone carried one for self protection, duels etc. The only difference is after killing about five people on a rampage you'd get tired and maybe have to stop for a bit, thereby allowing everyone else to stab you back or flee. If someone started killing people with Bic pens, (Yes its possible) would you rush in to ban the pen? What about the compound bow? Good range, decent rate of fire if you train hard enough? Should bows be illegal? These arguments always come up after a man caused event such as this because people are scared. Unfortunately, fear and the lack of perception of events as they are unfolding cause far more deaths than might otherwise have happened in any particular event. If a single, well trained person had been in that theater, I expect the whole thing would have been minimized. As I said, people are the problem. Not guns. |
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07-21-2012, 12:10 PM | #10 |
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This discussion goes round and round every time that there is a tragic/horrifying incident like this one. Problem is that it happens far more frequently in the USA than anywhere else in the world. Not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere (we have an ongoing gang war in Toronto right now), but our American friends have to realize at some point that this issue is unique to their society. |
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i agree to a certain degree. i live in an occupied country, we are not exactly at a state of war, but we all have guns and ammo at home provided to us by the army in case something happens. also people here like to go hunting. so we also have guns for that as well. but we are not allowed to have hand guns. so we cannot go anywhere with a concealed weapon.. we never had an incident like that (then again we are a small country) but we often have incidents between criminals "handling their business". innocents law abiding citizens rarely get killed. my thinking is that since hand guns are allowed, and people are allowed to buy them freely, allows people to "derail" more often.
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The big issue with our culture isn't guns, its the entitlement mentality and the general immaturity of people, thrown together with the incredibly intense societal demand to be special that fucks people over. In our schools right now, everyone wins a prize for participating. People who are actually good at something have their achievements minimized. Its not until later, when reality kicks in that mediocre people realize that not everyone gets the hot girl, the good paying job and the fame that things start to go wrong. Now, we have some seriously pissed off people that think the world owes them everything whom are completely ill-equipped to deal with their pathetic realities. This is where the problem arises. So, I agree that it might be American people, but I still say that its not the gun's fault. |
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07-21-2012, 12:28 PM | #14 |
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Fair enough....should have stated western, civilized society. If you choose to benchmark your country against some of the more "chaotic" nations of the world, that is your perogative.
We are also discussing gun homicides but I have also included homicides in the relevant western societies. |
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I understand what your take is on the guns....especially considering your line of work, but I do have to wonder if it would make a difference if there were much more strict controls in place. There is no easy answer or clear causality associated with these tragic gun massacres. Finding a way to keep your people safe from these events, one way or another, would sure be beneficial. |
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07-21-2012, 12:45 PM | #16 |
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CDRockies, Looking at your stats, its pretty easy to ignore some of the glaring issues with that chart. First, you have to consider overall population. That is not a percentage so the numbers are going to be larger generally per population. Excepting Germany, where their culture is so vastly different than ours.
Next, you have to consider the source of those stats. If you look at major sources of homicides, cities like Chicago, Detroit etc, you will see that the vast majority of the homicides are committed by undereducated inner city dwellers that completely skew the curve. Combine those mass population centers with the types of people committing the crimes and you get your stats. Lastly, you might think in my line of work I'd be all for less guns, but as I said, its not gun that are killing people.
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This a cultural issue. Period. We fix problems with guns. As a former active duty person, i think my opinion holds a bit weight. There are inherent risks with guns. You ban them, and criminals will still be armed. You allow law abiding citizens to be armed freely, and once in awhile they'll snap or use poor judgement. Welcome to GunLand.
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Your respect for the process, responsible education of their use, and your diligence in upholding the laws that you swore to protect all point to you supporting the Constitution and the right to bear arms. |
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Regardless of the cause of Friday's events, tragic as they are, I do support our constitutional rights. Even when they make my job harder. Or I don't get my way. The alternative is frightening. This is a classic example of don't let one bad apple spoil he bunch. Of course, I wonder how I'd feel if this had happened closer to home? You hit it on the head earlier when you said finding a way to keep people safe is the answer. Would one armed, trained, motivated citizen in that theater changed the outcome? Should we institute TSA like screening processes wherever people gather? Mind control? Gun bans? Each of these has their downfalls. |
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