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Unethical Vendor - BMS (Burger Motorsports bad review)
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10-15-2012, 04:15 PM | #89 |
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surprise a vendor will actually do that to make a few $, lets say BMS manage to sell 5000 of these and make $5 each, thats 25k in the pocket, now, all these posts, i think their damages worth a whole lot more than the money they made (or would have made), bad business decision in their part.
granted, the product itself isn't patented, so no law is broken for copying the design, but using others pictures as their own? really, at least take your own pictures! that alone says how much confidence BMS has in their "own" products. shame |
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10-15-2012, 04:42 PM | #91 |
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There seems to be a key straw man in Terry's response (posted above) - namely, the notion that the OP claimed to "invent" the clutch stop. As a matter of fact, the OP stated otherwise in the first post of this thread. Is no one actually reading what others are posting?
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10-15-2012, 05:02 PM | #92 |
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Mike, thanks for posting Terry's response.
1) Read more carefully. I never said I invented the clutch stop. It’s been around for years. I said I invented the “easy to install E90 clutch stop” and I invented the first “easy to install adjustable E90 clutch stop”. I’m sure you’ve never seen my clutch stop before you walked into home depot. I guess that’s how you found my install pictures…which by the way you’re still using. Just because you darkened the red circle around the stopper doesn’t mean it’s your picture. You’re not fooling anyone. 2) If you say so. 3) If you say so. 4) Possible. 5) True but not the only reason. No need to rehash. 6) You must have a full service webmaster. They do everything for you including using my pictures. Nice. It’s ok, I don’t expect anything from you. I just wanted the community to know. And again, I did not invent the clutch stop. I invented the easy to install E90 clutch stop. |
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10-15-2012, 05:06 PM | #93 |
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The current links do not have identical photos in them. Copying a design is common practice that benefits consumers by creating a price competitive market. Assuming BMS actually posted your pictures they could be guilty of copyright infringement and you might have a viable course of legal action.
Other than that this is just free market dynamics at work. |
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10-15-2012, 05:10 PM | #94 |
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E90Company - I don't want to derail this thread, but I have never bashed Cobb. I think they're a great company with an awesome, innovative product. As of right now, ATP has certain limitations, and Cobb tuned N54's aren't able to make as much power as piggyback tuned N54's on E85. This is a fact, no bashing.
I have a problem with BMS because they have built their entire business on copying other companies products. We all know you have a JB4 and through self admission said that "you are biased towards it because you own one" but facts are facts. Terry's response above reminds me so much of when he was trying to defend copying the Procede. He even used the word libelous. Haha. Terry uses Mike's account to post from time to time. Even the most staunch BMS supporter will admit to this. The two of them having different writing styles.
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10-15-2012, 05:13 PM | #95 | |
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I'll post the original listing when I figure out how post a web page. |
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10-15-2012, 05:16 PM | #96 | |
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10-15-2012, 05:18 PM | #97 |
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If you are using Firefox - 1) install FireShot add-on; 2) open saved html doc in Firefox; 3) use FireShot to take a screen grab of the web page and save as a .jpg file; 4) upload to an image hosting site; 5) insert image code into post; 6) click on the "Submit Reply" button.
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10-15-2012, 05:21 PM | #98 | |
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I never said I invented the clutch stop. I invented the easy to install adjustable E90 clutch stop. |
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10-15-2012, 05:33 PM | #99 |
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After reading everything, I can make two conclusions...
1) JetBlack has a legitimate complaint about BMS using his pictures to make profit. That's illegal and shady business. but 2) It's a good thing for all of us in the community that BMS offers a clutch stop that is cheaper. Oh economics. |
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10-15-2012, 05:38 PM | #100 | |
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First it was he shouldn't because of some financial backlash or whatever nonsense you were able to fish out of your rear, now it is only BMS that can respond. Whats your third made up reasoning? |
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10-15-2012, 05:41 PM | #101 | |
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BTW, I thought Mike said he didn't sell this particular BMS product. Did I miss something?
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10-15-2012, 05:46 PM | #102 |
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I saw that OP posted his pic on his ebay posting in May of this year.
When did BMS do theirs?
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10-15-2012, 05:49 PM | #103 |
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Comparing the pictures looks like the ones on the BMS page was just cropped, brightened, and they added darker red circles on them. Lol seems like the fuzz on the carpeting is identical oh my
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10-15-2012, 05:54 PM | #104 |
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As an MBA grad from a top tier school and entrepreneur myself, you got to protect your intellectual property. A broad based patent however probably will not pass because ford patented a clutch stop member in their 1983 patent which refers to a patent in 1977 and 1972 referenced below.
http://www.google.com/patents/US4527682 So based on these broad patents you did not invent anything. You merely created an eBay shop to sell a clutch stop which I myself did purchase for my 335. BMS can do the same as well as joe shmo next door. The only thing that made me annoyed was that BMS stole your pictures, which also are no longer technically yours after you publish them on a public domain. But BMS did acknowledge the fault and addressed it. As entrepreneurs we live and learn.
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10-15-2012, 05:56 PM | #105 |
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Sorry to hear about this. I bet it truly hits hard when you have put a lot of your hard work into something and watch someone else take it and make a profit. I'm not going to beat the dead horse over the whole patent thing, but I personally have decided to NOT pursue selling certain items on eBay without having a patent. And because I thought the cost of a patent would have probably outweighed the profit I would make, I decided not to sell the products that I could have made and sold. Years later on, big companies like Apple patented what I was going to patent and sell and I probably missed out big time. Or maybe not. I will never know. Oh well. You live and you learn. And the crazy part is that there are companies that directly rip off big companies like Apple and sell them for a fraction of what Apple sells them for. For instance, you can buy a replacement iPhone 4/4S back glass panel for a few dollars shipped to you. And it has all of the Apple logos on it. Looks identical to a factory Apple back. Or buy new cables for a dollar shipped. So even of you have a patent, it may not even help you. Either way, I feel your pain and it sucks that a company stole your intellectual property for their benefit.
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10-15-2012, 06:12 PM | #106 | |
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We all know that the OP is making profit. That is the whole point of him selling it. On the other hand, seems like BMS has done a completely dishonest thing. And what you are doing is not a science, however, there is no need for it here! To the OP, I have used some General pictures on EBay to sell some of my tennis stuff before. Turned out those pictures came from one of the reputable on-line sellers (no watermark) and eBay removed my listing after the complaint was filed. I was not trying to take away from their business as they sell thousands of items, I just mistakenly posted their image. On the other hand, I highly doubt that BMS did the same thing as the history you pointed out shows otherwise. Good luck! |
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10-15-2012, 06:24 PM | #107 |
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My experience with BMS was terrible at best. I would suggest anyone but them for anything possible. Terry runs his business like a 15yr old in their mom's basement. Terry would not honor the deal his employee made with me. Chicken shit vendor IMO.
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10-15-2012, 07:03 PM | #109 |
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Too bad only BMS makes the BMS PB. I feel for you, but I'm not joining the whole BMS boycott like most people in this thread. I won't not buy from them because of some pictures. It's just failed communication.
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