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Doesn't matter at this point. People can believe what they want to believe about the integrity of these past and future claims. What will matter if there is no form of active timing control whatsoever. What will happen then? Shiv |
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01-12-2009, 03:43 PM | #688 |
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for now, the CPS issue was determined in the marketing material, and that's about it. There is still absolutely no evidence that Timing control is not available in the JB3, but rather, that Scalbert's bench testing has not been able to trace it on the typical I/O's, etc.
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Terry's evidence that the JB3 does, in fact, implement some form of timing control is his claim that the tune wouldn't "work" without it. This is not true. I can zero out the timing map in the PROcede and the tune wont be obviously different. Maybe a little more inconsistent. But that's it. The consequences of that approach aren't obvious from the passenger seat. Shiv |
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01-12-2009, 03:46 PM | #690 |
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Umm... Yeah... He did...
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01-12-2009, 03:48 PM | #692 |
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You're pretty funny with these rhetorical questions.
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It means the same thing as when a preacher takes off his watch at the beginning of the sermon and puts it on the pulpit where he can easily see it -- it don't mean nuthin'.
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01-12-2009, 03:51 PM | #694 | ||
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I make this assumption due to his statement here: Quote:
If he learned that CPS offset or any kind of timing adjustment isn't necessary, well, then maybe that's the real secret. Maybe he discovered that the DME always rides the edge between preignition/detonation and just enough timing retard. Maybe he learned that after it determines the proper timing, it will build itself a proper table around it so there there is always enough timing retard available for the engine to utilize... that it always builds itself this safety margin, making CPS offsets redundant. Or maybe there is something else going on with the TMAP sensor we're not aware of... I just don't know. Anyway, I'm looking forward to further test results from Scalbert!
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EDIT: Link if you want to see for yourself: http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=us
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Weaksauce. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you can't back up half the claims you make?
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Just a few posts ago, you accused BMS of advertising CPS control on their JB3 page, and then pulling that claim 2 weeks ago in response to scalbert's tests. That's what I'm referring to. Am I wrong? If so, I'll happily retract.
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The high school bickering should stop in such a great thread. I can't wait till the road and dyno tests are done. Scalbert is this pushing you to get them done quicker?
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However, dwelling on this little point is silly as Terry was posting about Timing/CPS offset as recently as November in his forum. The posts are still there. I've already posted the links. No one responded to them. Shiv |
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