[beepbeep]

Originally Posted by Blk07335i

Eugen, did you or anyone else collect data while running stock or V1.47? I am curious to see if the boost behavior that you object to also occurs with V1 and stock settings.

+1

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by beepbeep

+1

Wow. A reader not a writer.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The bandwagon makes us feel like we are married to this forum. A strange, somewhat disfunctional marriage full of intrigue, speculation, and drama. It's 11PM and Dustin and I are still here on our computers, after spending much of the evening freezing our butts off in glorious Sacramento. I'm posting in this stupid thread and he is responding to PMs/emails.

Right or wrong, these same threads were started supporting you and Vishnu, that crazy bandwagon mentality is what got everyone on board and got you your business. Now you are seeing the other side of things, the and demanding side of this forum. Its not stupid, good, bad or indifferent-----it just is what it is. Enjoy it, its what made the Procede launch so successful----you know live by the gun die by the gun?, well you guys have live by the forums die by the forums.

Jut my .02. Anyway, some of us like procede and some of us don't. I cant imagine that at the end of the day any of us is going to be swayed by one thread or another to live one side of the fence and go to the other.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by Terry335

lol I get a lot of PMs like that from happy customers, but not cool to post Tuned335i.

Thats an understatement.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by Blk07335i

Eugen, did you or anyone else collect data while running stock or V1.47? I am curious to see if the boost behavior that you object to also occurs with V1 and stock settings.

Did a lot of datalogging with v1.47 as well. Boost-wise it behaved exactly the other way round, it provided a lot of low to mid rpm boost and tapered down at the high rpm's. v2.x provides good low to mid rpm boost and has the highest boost at high rpm's. So it feels and behaves very different. Shiv planned to eliminate the unwished boost-spike from v1.47 caused by flooring the pedal completely. I am not talking about spikes caused by closing the throttle, they are normal and don't harm anything, AFAIK.

v1.47 is very stable.

- Eugen

[Hegemony]

Originally Posted by e.n335

I am asking you since months to provide maps for customers like me who want just a strong and reliable daily driver. Up to now, no way. So I hoped that the user definable torque settings will be a way to create such settings by myself. This is not possible as well, at the moment. The results I got are not consistent. Why has a customer like me to share the risk with other customers who want to drag race and probably will take additional risks to be 0.2 seconds faster than others ? It is not true that you have to satisfy everybody with one single tune, you have the ability to provide multiple tunes with your loadable maps. As said more than once, you are just not willing to do.

- Eugen

AND HERE we have the real reason.

Everyone's going crazy in this thread because of how vocal Eugen has been on these forums, but he has been just as vocal and VERY consistent about wanting a more conservative tune. He's been asking for this since v1.42 and before. He wants safety and a finished product above all other things.

What I don't understand is why Vishnu chose someone with this perspective to be their beta tester and why Eugen accepted, and I believe what we're seeing here is the results of that decision and nothing more.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by Calvin@Vishnu

Are you forgetting to mention if all of your "buddies" have blown 335i motors? Or even Vishnu tuned cars for that matter?

Ok, I have seen the claims over and over like this refuted by Vishnu. There is a 335i in my area that blew the 6th cylinder. NO it wasn't some manufacturing flaw, they were running Procede. I did not hear this from the customer but the dealer and mechanic. The good news, my dealer is mod friendly, so as long as there evidence that a mod was there, they will warranty a failure as they did with this customer.

At the end of the day I just wish people would be honest and say: hey, we make great prower with our product, but it comes at a price: you might blow your engine or turbos because we didn't build the car and don't know REALLY what it can and cannot take. Also, we are a small company and may have some lag time on responding to customer concerns and orders. Finally, our tune is a great tune, but it will have problems. If you wanted perfection, ask BMW M division to tune your car for you, if you want power we are the guys.

Again, just my .02

[Dr_Dirt]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Did a lot of datalogging with v1.47 as well. Boost-wise it behaved exactly the other way round, it provided a lot of low to mid rpm boost and tapered down at the high rpm's. v2.x provides good low to mid rpm boost and has the highest boost at high rpm's. So it feels and behaves very different. Shiv planned to eliminate the unwished boost-spike from v1.47 caused by flooring the pedal completely. I am not talking about spikes caused by closing the throttle, they are normal and don't harm anything, AFAIK.

v1.47 is very stable.

- Eugen

Eugen,
You mentioned hearing a "hoovering" sound in an earlier post and it made me think of the pumping up sound. Just to clarify on your sound does it have anything to do with the attachment below?

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by e.n335

...and being called "ridiculous"

Frankly, I believe Shiv was calling "ridiculous" all the drama in this thread around your decision to abandon the V2, not the decision itself.

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

...so as long as there evidence that a mod was there, they will warranty a failure as they did with this customer.

So if my car is not modded, they will not warranty a failure?

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by Dr_Dirt

Eugen,
You mentioned hearing a "hoovering" sound in an earlier post and it made me think of the pumping up sound. Just to clarify on your sound does it have anything to do with the attachment below?

Sorry, I have no idea what that sound has been. It was loud and lasted 3-4 seconds. I had it only once.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Hi,

I am not the tuner, Shiv is. For me this just means that it is not true, what Shiv promised for V2. He said we will see no boost spikes with his new method to control boost. I don't get why I see 16psi in 14psi maps and I don't get why I see boost and fuel delivery values as if I would push the pedal 100% when I push 33%.

I am curious, Shiv said he will explain.

- Eugen

I don't think any of us and I mean any of us have ever heard a single bad thing said about Eugen. I put him in the category of WalkedU as in being a VERY responsible poster, always informative and rarely emotional on here. I don't know him personally, but anyone who slanders him or defines him and his concerns as "ridiculous" obviously forgot the concept of respect. If we can agree on nothing else, can we agree that Eugne deserves tons of respect for the way he has helped many of us on many issues.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by GreekMaverick

Actualy, he went all out on the EVO's .......It seems like most of You Evo Owners Forget that


Dont forget that vishnu was the first company to bring the evo into the spotlight in the US with TONS of magazine press and their win of one lap, plus their work with car and driver.

Shiv was the first one to figure out the 9 ecu and the Mivec tuning. He then posted all his findings on this forum for other tuners to better understand the workings of the new ecu. Even now a vishnu flash and tbe (300 whp on mustang dyno) makes more than most other tuner's packages that include way more parts.

Unlinke some other shops, vishnu's philosophy doesnt revolve arround making time attack cars and other things, but simply engine management, and in that department they do very well especially on brand new platforms.

An xede is not that big of a deal anymore, but back when the evo was new, there was no free flashing software, and only 2 or 3 shops that understood the evo at all. You cant expect them to attempt to compete with a FREE flashing program? they are a business after all.

They moved to the 335, as no one in the market including all the big names i.e dinan, active auto werke and turner had any ability to tune the 335s. They are still the best engine management solution for that platform, and guess what, once that platform is fully developed, they will proly move to another challenge.

Not every car company is the same, and vishnu is into the EM stuff and thats why they move to different platforms faster than other companies.

Make sure you quantify that statement with the "that is my opinion".

[bmwzimmer]

Originally Posted by scalbert

Actually, I now suspect it was a loose CPK signal, just FYI. I should have initially checked the code when the fault occurred. Had I been in town, that is precisely what would have happened. But the circumstances were different and I acted promptly. Now after digesting and scanning for codes, the problem appears to be a loose CPK signal.

This will be tested thoroughly over the weekend though by leaving the car outside in similar ambient temperatures. BTW, thanks for proclaiming this publically before I had a chance to fully evaluate the situation.

Secondly, you failed to mention the 20 PSI spike circumstances. This was only after I bumped up the setting and only occurred once and prior to full adaptation. After I drove the car more with the new settings, the spikes diminished.

Those who have driven tuned turbo vehicles know this is the nature of the beast. The spikes, while still occurring, are minimal. A 15 PSI spike then dropping to 13 PSI is certainly fine and better than the previous map I tested. This was on the default settings and under even more specific situations; i.e. narrower RPM band.

In the end, this is still better than what most upgraded B5 S4 drivers would see with most code, or even other factory turbo vehicles with upgardes. Heck, I had to run an MBC in parallel just to control spikes to 23+ PSI when it would drop to 18 - 19 PSI. Otherwise, you would get the dreaded throttle cut.

Eugene, any response to this other beta tester?

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by WilyB

So if my car is not modded, they will not warranty a failure?

Dude, don't be nasty, no reason for it. You know exactly what I meant, that the dealer will warranty cars they know have been modded. Geez.....

[WilyB]

Eugen,

Is this a case of Föhnkrankheit?

[stefano7171]

Originally Posted by WilyB

Frankly, I believe Shiv was calling "ridiculous" all the drama in this thread around your decision to abandon the V2, not the decision itself.

If that is the case, well, the perspective is different. I hope Shiv clarifies.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by bmwzimmer

Eugene, any response to this other beta tester?

Had to have a look at the mails for this reply.

The situation at the time I quitted testing has been that scalbert reported the boost spikes are back again ( after increasing his values by 5 points, 30% of the time in his testing scenario and 1 time 20psi ). Shiv expected a failed HPFP.

It seems that some expect I want to bash Vishnu here. It's not like this. Beta test V2 and you will know.

- Eugen

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by WilyB

Eugen,

Is this a case of Föhnkrankheit?

No, I am not föhnkrank. Maybe the PROcede is

- Eugen

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

I don't think any of us and I mean any of us have ever heard a single bad thing said about Eugen. I put him in the category of WalkedU as in being a VERY responsible poster, always informative and rarely emotional on here. I don't know him personally, but anyone who slanders him or defines him and his concerns as "ridiculous" obviously forgot the concept of respect. If we can agree on nothing else, can we agree that Eugne deserves tons of respect for the way he has helped many of us on many issues.

Walked U is ridiculous. I said it.

I personally think your bashing should stop.

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

I don't think any of us and I mean any of us have ever heard a single bad thing said about Eugen. I put him in the category of WalkedU as in being a VERY responsible poster, always informative and rarely emotional on here. I don't know him personally, but anyone who slanders him or defines him and his concerns as "ridiculous" obviously forgot the concept of respect. If we can agree on nothing else, can we agree that Eugne deserves tons of respect for the way he has helped many of us on many issues.

You need to stop trying to stir things up. It's unnecessary. Like somebody mentioned above (and I totally agree) shiv was not calling Eugen "ridiculous", he was referring to some of the accusations on this thread as being "ridiculous". Keep it civil, if that's possible. We'll get more information from both parties, instead of them spending time trying to clarify your comments.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by normtrum

You need to stop trying to stir things up. It's unnecessary. Like somebody mentioned above (and I totally agree) shiv was not calling Eugen "ridiculous", he was referring to some of the accusations on this thread as being "ridiculous". Keep it civil, if that's possible. We'll get more information from both parties, instead of them spending time trying to clarify your comments.