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02-09-2010, 12:29 AM | #45 |
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It might just be a different quantity...seems like all their fluids of different quantities have different part numbers. Give the dealer a call maybe and see...but I am sure they wouldn't have put anything else in their other than the OEM stuff.
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02-09-2010, 12:46 AM | #46 | |
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http://bmwfans.info/accessories/prod...s/gearbox_oil/ and they initially quoted for the wrong ATF fluids (one for E46 M3 they said) for this job since they never had to drain and fill on E92 335i until my car. and because of that, i am bit worried. but in a way, they found out the initial quote was wrong, which also kinda tells me they found correct fluids for it... i did 0 to 120mph sprint this afternoon and the car takes off and shift a lot better than before all these service. i'm sure spark plugs and oil change also play some factor there as well...
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02-09-2010, 11:38 AM | #48 |
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After asking me a ton of questions, you go and give a stealership $400+ to put an unknown fluid into your $8000 Proceed transmission.
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02-09-2010, 12:32 PM | #49 | |
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as i said, i just don't feel safe going aftermarket at this moment but later on when more people report with positive feedback on it, i might do it at 100k mark. if i did pentosin or RL, difference would've been only couple hundred dollars and i just didn't feel that it is enough of saving to risk my $8000 transmission. even if it was wrong fluids, if i bring it to the dealer, they would take care of it so it's really that peace of mind that is really important to me. anyways, thank you so much for answer all these dumb questions promptly.
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02-09-2010, 01:12 PM | #50 | |
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You don't feel safe using "aftermarket" fluids, but you went ahead and skyrockted your Horsepower with an "aftermarket" chip? |
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02-09-2010, 01:32 PM | #51 |
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th1/2 liters of what? I inquired at the dealership, and they only sell lifeguard6 in drums, and not 1/2 liters. The stuff in 1/2 liters is trans fluids for 5HP E46 transmissions.
that's troubleing if true. |
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02-09-2010, 03:29 PM | #52 | |
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http://bmwfans.info/accessories/prod...s/gearbox_oil/ i don't feel safe using aftermarket fluids because i don't feel that there's not enough user base on it. as i said, if more people use other than bmw fluids and report positive reports, then yeah i don't mind using it on my next service. i don't know what your point of bringing procede again and again but there are ton of people using it without any problems and i felt safe to use the tune on the car. same thing as engine oil, there are lot of debate on which oil is good and i felt that the engine oil that i chose to use actually meet bmw's guideline so i chose to use it. if there were certain guideline or spec that bmw is recommending for aftermarket transmission fluids, it would made my decision much easier but there's none for transmission so can you tell me what your point here is? and yes it may look like waste of effort on asking all these questions and went back to OEM, but at least i now know more about it and so i could make more educated decision and justify my $400 rather than just going to dealer and get it done. it's always good to know your options and what's available. whether you actually use it or not is different story... hell, if not for the forum, i might've just bought that "lifetime" thing dealership saying on sparkplugs and transmission fluids... again, i really do appreciate all the information you brought into my attention. it really helped a lot actually...
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i'm actually swing by dealer on saturday and ask them to show me the drum to get done with this conversation but it does raise bit of concern if 3 of the dealer saying the same thing to you... btw, feel free to call or have them call to verify with bmw of seattle. their number is 1-800-782-8780 or 206-328-2300. Quote:
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02-09-2010, 07:38 PM | #57 | |
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02-09-2010, 08:41 PM | #58 | |
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02-09-2010, 11:50 PM | #59 |
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Oh nevermind $75 per quart!!! Hyundai Genesis forum link
So much for Hyundai being affordable! That's pretty crazy that Hyundai would expect their more frugal buyers to be paying that much for oil. |
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02-10-2010, 12:20 PM | #60 |
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ZF Automatic Passenger car parts distributers Dear Distributer: It has come to our attention there is confusion in the field regarding service intervals and fluid recommendations for ZF 5HP and 6HP applications. ZF has promoted lifetime service for many 5HP and 6HP factory filled transmissions. Lifetime is not clearly defined and each OEM manufacture has there own philosophy. ZF stands behind lifetime recommendation where listed in the vehicle operator’s manual. ZF engineered and tested our fluids to retain its characteristics through normal lifetime operating conditions. However, a spirited driving style, special environmental considerations and other individual driving factors may place higher than normal loads on transmission fluids. To assure proper operation it is advisable to perform a drain and fill at 100,000km (60k miles) or eight years. Due to the complexity of operation, the high output of current engine offerings and the expectation drivers place on their ZF equipped vehicles ZF only endorses the use of ZF Lifeguard Fluids and parts or OEM approved fluids and parts. Fluids and parts not approved for use by ZF or the original equipment manufacturers have not been tested and may not meet the required demands. Use of these fluids or parts will void factory warranties and warranties placed on aftermarket transmissions remanufactured by ZF. The use of any fluid additives is prohibited as the result will unpredictably change fluid properties potentially resulting in transmission failure. Some fluids previously recommended were factory fill or available only in the European market. To simplify obtaining the correct recommended fluids ZF now offers Lifguardfluid5, Lifeguardfluid6 and Lifeguardfluid6+. Please see the attached oil recommendation list TE-ML11 for detailed information. Finally there are some customers that feel the need to perform a transmission oil service as part of their regular maintenance. Changing the fluid more often is entirely their decision. Properly performed oil service will not damage the transmission. Most problems occur due to improper refill procedures, incorrect fluid and or non OE parts or with transmissions that already have a drivability problem. Use of ZF or OE parts and fluid is strongly recommended for best results, Please feel free to contact me regarding any questions or concerns. |
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02-10-2010, 01:27 PM | #61 |
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Well there you go....so basically lifetime is BMW's decision, not ZF's...and officially there is no approved substitute for lifeguardfluid6, and the use of any other fluid would void the transmission warranty.
But after 4 years, and if you regularly change the fluid, the use of alternates is probably not an issue as long as you are going with something of similar quality. |
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02-11-2010, 10:30 AM | #62 | ||
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"Some fluids previously recommended were factory fill or available only in the European market. To simplify, obtaining the correct recommended fluids ZF now offers Lifguardfluid5, Lifeguardfluid6 and Lifeguardfluid6+. Please see the attached oil recommendation list TE-ML11 for detailed information." In other words, you can use the ZF fluids, or you could see the TE ML11 list for all "APPROVED" fluids. The world has been using cars since the early part of last century. I don't need a corporate sales person to tell me how to maintain my vehicle. 60,000 miles, or 8 years, is for people who want to change the entire transmission between 100-150K miles. If you leased your vehicle, which most people do, then don't even bother to change any fluid other than the oil. If you bought your car for the long term, then your a fool to not to change you transmission fluid every 2 years, or 30K miles, like most manufacturers recommend. These threads have gotten so fricken tired and pointless! |
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02-11-2010, 11:13 AM | #63 | |
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http://www01apps.zf.com/kst464/ZF_In...011_en0700.pdf Your suggestion that "most manufacturers recommend 2 yrs 30k miles A/T changes" is simply false for those who use the ZF transmission. Officially ZF says 80-120k KM which is 48k-72k miles. The TE ML11 list is NOT applicable to the any A/T which goes in the E90. Reading is fundamental. Last edited by F32Fleet; 02-11-2010 at 01:45 PM.. |
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http://www01apps.zf.com/kst464/ZF_In...011_en0700.pdf
Why do I get the impression that some folks mistake the columns / pages of 11A & 11B Class of approved oils as the LIST? The whole document is the LIST. It even states it in the title. List of lubricants TE-ML 11. That is why Lifeguard6 and Lifeguard6 Plus is not placed in the category under 11A or 11B oils. Because they aren't 11A or 11B class oils. Manuf. brand names are given in the category of 11A or 11B class oils which are "listed" with the appropriate 3/4/5 speed AT. And "listed" with appropriate 6AT model of transmission, are the Lifeguard6 and Lifeguard6 Plus and the car manufacturers' part numbers of the oil.
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02-11-2010, 02:14 PM | #66 | |
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Again, do what you want with regards to the fluid, as long as it makes you feel comfortable. And like you said, if you are changing every 30k, there is probably no reason you can't use a M-1375.4 substitute like the Pentosin ATF-1. Just don't expect them to make it to 100k miles. |
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