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Which stripper is likely to have fewer engine issues: E92 335 or E92 M3?
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10-27-2009, 09:56 AM | #1 |
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Which stripper is likely to have fewer engine issues: E92 335 or E92 M3?
Assuming typical driving, no tracking, <10K miles/yr and satellite radio as the only option, which engine do you think is likely to produce fewer problems? HPFP and twin turbos come to mind for the 335. Anything else for the 335? What about the M? I'm hoping for 10+ years of ownership. Thx.
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10-27-2009, 10:09 AM | #7 |
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Tough call - turbo engines are less reliable than a normal engine typically, if you do a good job on maintenance do no track days, reliability could be pretty good (with the exception of the HPFP and possibly the wastegates!). M engines on the other hand are very high strung and historically need rebuilt a lot sooner than a normal engine, just north of 100k miles and if they need parts, they cost way more money!
Cars don't have problems based on time as much as based on milage, so both could be fine for 10 years if you only drive 75k miles in 10 years, if your looking at 10 years and 150k miles, then I think you should avoid both!
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10-27-2009, 01:54 PM | #8 |
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Just because of the m badge there's a 20% premium on the hourly rate.
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10-27-2009, 03:40 PM | #11 |
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"issue" is not a specific enough word. I think M engine is going to need more attention and upkeep. So if you don't do any maintenance the 335i is likely to last longer (minus the HPFP problems).
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10-27-2009, 05:22 PM | #12 |
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Turbo engines historically don't last as long as NA engines, or require more significant work up at the higher miles. On the other hand, upkeep on the M will be more expensive than the 335.
It's too close to call. If you're really keeping the car forever and want the most reliable engine, the 328 is probably your best bet.
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10-28-2009, 08:03 AM | #16 |
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All strippers have issues . . .
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10-28-2009, 09:27 AM | #17 | |
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Some of the other folks here maybe have a sense of whether, after having replaced your HPFP (assuming you ever even need to do so -- fact is that only about 5% of the cars actually encounter the oft cited HPFP problem), the replacement unit will exhibit better durability than the one that was replaced. I have not encountered the HPFP problem on my vehicle. I'm at 26K, going on 27K miles right now on my car, and have observed none of the symptoms suggesting I will have the HPFP in the near future. I too am willing to keep my car for 10+ years. Indeed, as long as it doesn't break, I don't particularly plan on replacing it. I will likely acquire other cars during the next decade, but I hope not to need to replace my regular driver -- my 335. If you have yet to buy the car, I'd suggest you consider the diesel or the 328. After all, you've stated no tracking and typical driving, so what's the point of the 335 or M3? If it's just that that's what you want, OK, but if you have a clearly stated goal of 10+ years of use, you should really consider the models most likely to support that goal, which is definitely different from just keeping the car that long largely because it hasn't by that time died.
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10-28-2009, 09:45 AM | #18 |
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I think the M3 will cost more in the end, the motor and associated parts are much more expensive.
However, which one is more reliable depends on so many factors. Turbos can need replaced at 100k or less, who knows? Or they could last forever, no one really knows.
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An M car is basically a factory modified 3 series that you can buy right off the lot. Same as AMG, Audi RS's, STI or Nismo etc. Reliability aside.. The real question would be, over 10+ years, which car would be more fun overall? The factory modified enthusiasts editions or the std plain jane rank and file models?
Seriously no reason why both cars cant last 10 yrs and 100k miles. Especially since bmw has the 120k warranty on the hpfp LOL It's pretty funny to see some people saying "It'll cost a fortune to repair etc" When at the same time, some are paying up the a** in finance charges on their current car loan or lease. For cars within the same series ( eg: e46 to e92 )? Dollar for dollar..repairing a car will always be cheaper than buying a new one. Don't think anyone spent $55k+ in repair bills on their E46 yet. Some people seem to want a car with 0 maintenance and repair costs.. No one said it was going to be free. Quote:
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