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01-04-2012, 11:39 PM | #178 | |
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That said, I don't actually care too much because your reasoning is not my problem, it's your problem. So if one of the two remaining problems is the error codes that the third party repair shop found, the obvious questions are... 1. What do the error codes actually mean? What problems do they indicate? Has anyone in this forum been able to diagnose them? 2. What did the second dealership that fixed the computer problem say about those codes? Also, I noticed in one of your other posts that "BMWNA is refusing to even touch the repair bill (that was done at their chosen CPO dealership), claiming that this wasn't their fault and it's on Penske because of their neglect to properly diagnose the car". Don't you want them to pay that bill anymore? |
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01-05-2012, 12:29 AM | #179 | |
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Let's see what happened. You just joined the forum, and so far you've made 3 posts. Post #1: Asking the OP for the exact terms of resolution. Post #2: Denying any affiliation with BMW or Penske, by saying, and I quote, "that's what happens when you set out to publicise a problem by posting it on various sites on the Internet". Post #3: Deliberately questioning arguru's credibility, based on the fact that he found your very suspicious original post, well, suspicious. So.... who are you and what are you doing here? |
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01-05-2012, 03:54 AM | #180 | ||
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Yes. This makes perfect sense to me and I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with it. It's a question that a few people have asked both here and in other forums but that I hadn't seen answered yet. In any situation where you have a problem, in order to resolve it you have to know what you want to happen to resolve it. There was much talk of the problem but it wasn't clear to me exactly what arguru actually wanted, so I asked specifically what it was. You seem to be implying that asking what to me is the most obvious, logical and relevant question is wrong in some way. Can you explain why it's wrong?
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01-05-2012, 04:00 AM | #181 | |
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01-05-2012, 06:30 AM | #182 |
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For what it's worth, imho Richard Jones is being accused of working for your dealer because he is asking logical questions using proper grammar and complete sentences. My guess is that he is an attorney or other professional in which he writes documents for a living. Hardly sufficient evidence that he in fact works for your dealer or BMW.
Having said that, would it be so bad if it was your dealer or BMW? Actively engaging you in a public forum asking you what needs to happen to bring the situation to resolution? I've been following the thread from the start and I sympathize. If it happened to me I would have been very angry to say the least. But it has been weeks. You've vented. Now you have to decide what you want to do. My $.02 A
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01-05-2012, 08:03 AM | #183 | |
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I will also add one thing, with all the money BMW and other companies spend on advertising, do they not realize that in this day in age treating customers fairly and with respect is their best advertising. I mean look what this thread has come to for them, an absolute shit hole of publicity.
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01-05-2012, 08:22 AM | #184 |
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I'm glad this is going to be on Jalponik soon, I'm very excited Arguru!
With that said, I don't think Dick is a rep for anyone. He's just not very good with sarcasm.[/QUOTE] So my google-fu has brought up a few pages that are questionable. If you search google for "richard jones penske" you'll find a couple of mentions of the two. Including a facebook page for Penske's BMW North Scottsdale, seen here. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you'll see that the outing was liked by a Richard Jones... So, riddle me this batman, a RichardJones appears and starts asking questions in an interesting manner and raises several suspicions, and has a connection to BMW North Scottsdale. Now, this is assuming the new user isn't very creative and used his real name, but I think we have a Red Alert gents. More google-fu coming...
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01-05-2012, 09:10 AM | #185 |
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^^^^^^+1. Yes, he may deny that he is not affiliated with BMW N.A nor Penske BMW, but the contents/analysis, in which, how he raised suspicion regarding Arguru's claims, sounded like either, an attorney, or someone who is affiliated with Penske.
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01-05-2012, 09:21 AM | #186 |
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Well done cptcrunch.
I also believe "Richard Jones" is a lawyer. His intentions may be noble seeking an amicable resolution to this situation between BMW/Penske/BMWNA, et all. I don't believe that for a second. That said, he may very well be the rep that has signed on to cover the butt of the GM, the SA, and/or any involved parties who downplayed the thrown codes. This representaion would be on a personal level, not corporate. I would bet we now have several lawyers who are interested in the developements transpiring, ie, what would have to happen to resolve this issue and make it go away. My question to the lawyers. Would there be a lingering responsibility on the part of those involved that have attempted to sweep this under the rug and did not bring this out for a complete and thorough investigation as to the cause of the initial steering failure? Would some parties possibly be liable for damages and prosecution should another incident occur, this one with catastrophic consequences as a result of their lack of professional safety ethics? Just a few random thoughts that came to mind.
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01-05-2012, 09:36 AM | #187 | |
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01-05-2012, 09:40 AM | #188 | |
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01-05-2012, 10:11 AM | #189 |
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01-05-2012, 10:16 AM | #190 |
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have bmw buy the car back and supply one WITHOUT ACTIVE STEERING.
Let this car follow in the footsteps of all those M3s that got trashed on the shipping vessel. ppp p.s. if it gets destroyed before the NHTA get their hands on it... no proof bmw
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01-05-2012, 10:31 AM | #191 | |
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01-05-2012, 10:37 AM | #192 | |
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If you aren't a lawyer, or with any of the parties involved in this case, then you are just a jerk and are adding nothing of value to this discussion. |
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01-05-2012, 10:47 AM | #193 |
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The Empire Strikes Back? I think Richard would have a different reception if he had a track record here, not just a first series of posts.
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01-05-2012, 10:57 AM | #195 |
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I think it's safe to say this has turned into entertainment with no redemptive value in sight. Allegations and conspiracy theories abound. OP is now on record accusing these entities of less than upright motive and conduct, else he'd be sued by now for libel. Really? What else are you going to throw against the wall? OP started out with a very level-headed set of claims to now bordering hysteria and irrationality. Stone-walling has that effect on some people.
Take a break to reassess your strategy. Thank you for the lesson.
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01-05-2012, 11:10 AM | #196 |
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Well my point was that at least if he was affiliated with someone who could actually help, his initial line of questioning might have some redeeming interpretation. Otherwise, he's just a boring old jerk off the internet streets.
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01-05-2012, 11:12 AM | #197 |
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There are three Richard Joneses who are lawyers in Arizona.
One is ~26-27 years old who last worked in Phoenix, right by Scottsdale. The other two live/work further away and are 50-60 years old. Based on this Richard Jones' ability to Facebook and use the internets, I'd guess he's the baby lawyer (admitted to the bar in 2010). http://www.azbar.org/findalawyer |
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01-05-2012, 11:23 AM | #198 | |
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