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08-13-2007, 01:33 PM | #1 |
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Autocross Helmets
Maybe this can get sickied.
But post helmet suggestions. Also if you can post a pic of the helmet and price. Also how it fits and such. Basically I need a helmet and not sure what to get.
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08-13-2007, 02:03 PM | #3 |
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That's a $900 helmet.
Also try and post up pics and how much you payed to help users out.
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08-13-2007, 02:04 PM | #5 |
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Bell M2..or M2 Pro (lighter and more expensive). Why? Full faced...good production...but wide eye outlet. Not too expensive. I have a pyrotect helmet currently...but I dont like it as much. I will be switching back to a Bell M2 Pro as soon as I can afford it.
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08-14-2007, 12:12 AM | #6 |
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Helmets are like shoes...each one fits a particular person in a different way. The only way to decide and make a proper decision it to try on many different offerings, whether in a retail store, or online order with expensive return shipping if they don't fit. What is your intended purpose for the helmet? How long will you be driving in each session and to what level? Most beginners and auto X'rs will be fine with entry level helmets, some as inexpensive as $150 on sale. With these entry level helmets, features are reduced and weight is increased. These "extras" are welcomed if spending a lot of time in the car and help delay fatigue. Areo features are a waste of money in a closed cockpit car, so forget the areo chin spoilers and head venturies. As mentioned, a wide eyeport is very helpful in seeing around your car and what is by your side when driving sedans. I really does make a big difference in peripheral vision! Pyrotect is a good place to start, but they don't fit the shape of my head as well as the Arai, which fits my head better than the Bell. I was set on purchasing a Bell Vortex and after trying it on back to back with the Arai, there was no question which was significantly more comfortable on my head. Go to a reputable race shop in your area for a recommendation and to test fit as many helmets in your size as possible. good luck on your search.
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08-14-2007, 08:03 AM | #8 |
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Motorcycle and car helmets are different...The former are designed to take one impact really well, the latter are meant to take a number of impacts (think head bouncing around inside a car vs hitting the pavement).
I am very happy with the Bell M2...not too expensive and not too heavy. Just remember the old saying..."If you have a $10 head, get a $10 helmet."
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2: if your wearing the helmet to protect yourself instead of because its required, you screwed up pretty bad, wearing one of these helmets in a 335 w/ how many airbags it has is probably going to cause MORE injury then it is good |
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08-14-2007, 11:57 AM | #10 |
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Ah..he is correct on the difference of helmet...SA vs. M
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08-14-2007, 11:58 AM | #11 |
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Good question, is a helmet in a car with so many airbags a good idea even?
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really lets try this again
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#1, there is no reason to be a jerk
#2, there is less reason to be a jerk when you are flat wrong. I can refer you to the testing standards for Snell ratings (see http://www.smf.org) to validate my assertions: For SA2000 (car) rating: "There is no restriction regarding test anvil selection. The impact energies for each test impact are as follows: a. There shall be two impacts at each site tested against the fl at anvil. For the fi rst impact, the impact energy shall be 150 J for standard level testing and 140 J for deviation level testing. For the second impact, the impact energy shall be 110 J for all standard level testing and 105 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, the standard impact energies represent 3.0+ meter and 2.2+ meter drops respectively of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly. b. There shall be two impacts at each site tested against the hemispherical anvil. For the fi rst impact, the impact energy shall be 150 J for all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level testing. For the second impact, the impact energy shall be 110 J for all standard level 28 testing and 105 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, the standard impact energies represent 3.0+ meter and 2.2+ meter drops respectively of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly. c. There shall be three impacts at each site tested against the roll bar anvil. Sites selected for roll bar anvil impacts must lie behind the fore plane and above the test line of the helmet. For the fi rst impact the impact energy shall be 150 J for all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level testing. For the second impact, the impact energy shall be 120 J for all standard level testing and 115 J for all deviation level testing. For the third impact, the impact energy shall be 100 J for all standard level testing and 95 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, the standard impact energies represent 3.0+, 2.4+ and 2.0+ meter drops of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly. d. There shall be one impact at each site tested against the edge anvil. For each impact against the edge anvil, the impact energy shall be 150 J for all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, the standard impact energy represents a 3.0+ meter drop of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly. e. If the impact energy for any test impact exceeds the energy specifi ed by more than 3%, that impact shall be declared invalid. Please Note: The impacts described above are based on specifi c energies and not prescribed drop heights. To attain the proper energy for an impact, it is likely that the drop height will need to be adjusted to compensate for frictions inherent in most mechanical helmet testing systems. Height adjustments for these frictions should not account for more than 10% of the total drop height. Also, the 3% margin allowed for impact energy reflects the uncertainties expected even for well maintained drop equipment. It is expected that drop heights will always be selected to produce, as closely as possible, the precise impact energy called out in the standards." For M2005 (motorcycle) helmets: "There is no restriction regarding test anvil selection. The impact energies for each test impact are as follows: a. There shall be two impacts at each site tested against the fl at anvil. For the first impact, the impact energy shall be 150 J for all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level testing. For the second impact, the impact energy shall be 110 J for all standard level testing and 105 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, the standard impact energies represent 3.0+ meter and 2.2+ meter drops of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly. b. There shall be two impacts at each site tested against the hemispherical anvil. For the first impact, the impact energy shall be 150 J for all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level testing. For the second impact, the impact energy shall be 110 J for all standard level testing and 105 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, the standard impact energies represent 3.0+ meter and 2.2+ meter drops of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly. c. There shall be one impact at each site tested against the edge anvil. For each impact against the edge anvil, the impact energy shall be 150 J for all standard level testing and 140 J for all deviation level testing. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, this standard impact energy represents a 3.0+ meter drop of a 5 kg headform and supporting assembly. d. If the impact energy for any test impact exceeds the energy specifi ed by more than 3%, that impact shall be declared invalid." Can YOU point to anything that suggests that I am full of shit? This is important stuff...people's safety is involved with this discussion. So if I am wrong about something please present some objective proof and I will correct my statement. I certainly don't want misinformation to place a fellow enthusiast's life in jeopardy. Do you?
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you said motorcycle helmets are designed to only take one strong impact, and as the snell rating guidelines i quoted in summary, and you quoted in specifics, BOTH show that they are BOTH rated to take several impacts, infact they are rated for identical sets of impacts the only diffrence as indicated by the summary i quoted and the specifics is that there is an added roll bar test with the SA helmets and the summary i quoted stated some fire retardant specs with the SA helmet Quote:
so your claim that motorcycle helmets are only designed to take one impact was indeed 100% bullshit have a nice day |
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All of that suggests that people buying a helmet for use in a car should get a car helmet.
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the standard is NOT lower its clearly wrong, they have the same impact testing, its just as good for car use as the SA rated ones end of story |
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