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New Lambo Huracan Tested...prepare to be in AWE
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08-25-2014, 09:35 AM | #23 | |
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What is really in store for the future of M cars is all dependent upon the future EU regulations regarding emissions. The new BMW i line of vehicles will help BMW AG bring down their emissions to achieve standards of less than 105g per kilometer of CO2 by 2020. The CAFE standards are for each car manufacturers vehicles across it's entire line of products, this includes ///M cars. The fact is that emissions regulations will be getting tougher and tougher in the future and BMW needs to comply just like all of the other car companies. With ///M engines all going turbo and with smaller discplacements, they were able to achieve less emissions and more power and torque but at the cost of engine and exhaust note. A new V10 isn't exactly implausible for the next M5 if it is made in a certain way. They would have to decrease it's displacement and add forced induction to continue to make it relevant in a future of lower emissions. Right now I am thinking that something like a 4.0L Twin Turbo V10 could be in the works at ///M Division. The next X5M and X6M are using a revised version of the S63tu and will most likely make 600hp at the crank. It would be unprecedented for ///M to use the exact same setup from generation of ///M car to the next for it's main models, i.e. M3 and M5. However, this is exactly what is happening with the X5M and X6M. There has even already been talk of the next M3/M4 going to a 4cyl Turbo setup. So nothing is out of the question right now. http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2014...icles-by-2020/ If there is a new V10 in the works, I can pretty much bet that it will be Turbo Charged and a smaller displacement than the current S64tu engine and maybe even higher revving, but overall it will be more fuel efficient and have less CO2 emissions than the current S63tu engine. BMW i may have helped to ensure that future ///M engines aren't neutered just so that they have less CO2 emissions so that BMW AG can meet the stricter CAFE standards of 2020 and beyond. I have no idea if there would be a V10 coming or not, but it's not impossible. Especially if a new hybrid assist drive train is implemented in the next M5/M6.
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08-25-2014, 10:16 AM | #24 |
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My guess is these numbers will rarely be repeated by delivered vehicles and will often result in broken cars.
The force required to achieve this is unreal and I'm guessing done at th expense of the trans since the tires are holding. |
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08-25-2014, 10:36 AM | #25 | |
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08-25-2014, 11:14 AM | #26 |
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I've got to applaud Lambo/Audi/VW for keeping Lambos relevant in the ever more powerful mainstream cars and NA engine strangeling regulations. These numbers and engine type keep Lambo and the Huracan up where they need to be. And the looks of the Aventador and Huracan is modern but pure Lambo in their beautiful brawn. Nice!
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08-25-2014, 01:11 PM | #27 | |
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First race on film with new Lambo: |
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08-25-2014, 01:42 PM | #29 |
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09-06-2014, 06:08 PM | #31 |
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09-07-2014, 06:39 PM | #33 | |
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http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/lambor...o-s-pdk-racing Id venture to say a coupe which is a bit lighter would be faster and even more so considering the 991 turbo S is a good bit faster than a 997.2 turbo S. Those numbers as I said in my previous post are seriously optimistic considering what that videos just showed what actually happens outside mag times. Last edited by Wolfinwolfsclothing; 09-07-2014 at 06:54 PM.. |
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09-09-2014, 03:43 AM | #36 | |
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The average engine displacement is shrinking because turbocharging is becoming a standard engine feature. Engines above 5L will soon be gone from sports sedans and even displacements above 4L are becoming a rarity. Regardless of the emissions and efficiency benefits, and regardless of whether those can even be proven to be universally legitimate, this trend won't reverse because the industry as a whole has built economies of scale on this technology. Exotics are another matter entirely, of course. There is simply no room in the costing model for small displacement engines with extra cylinders they don't need. You can build one but you lose money instantly to your competitor who didn't and still met consumer expectations. It is that simple. So again, while we both know it can be built, I am calling it right now that it won't be. And like I said earlier I am happy to wager on it if you are game. By the way, if you want a sneak peak at the momentum in German car displacement shrinkage, keep a sharp eye on the W213 E Class developments. Word is the new turbocharged I6 (yes, that's correct) will be the top of the line engine in ~435hp form. I would not bet yet that the non-AMG V8 model is dead, but I think there's a real good shot. If that happens, look for BMW and Audi to follow suit with 4xx hp 3.0L turbocharged 6 cylinder engines taking over for V8s in this segment. That of course opens the door for the V8 as an exclusive for the M, AMG, and RS models. Well, for now that is. BMW has already said 200hp/L is on their radar so how long does the V8 have honestly - two more generations? Couple the six with an electric motor and we can get to 800hp, So then a V8 starts to look like overkill. And a V10? We might as well be talking about a flathead straight eight. |
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09-09-2014, 04:18 AM | #37 |
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09-21-2014, 01:32 AM | #38 | |
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09-21-2014, 03:34 AM | #39 | |
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Now it looks this way: I3 = ~ 200 PS I4 = ~ 300 PS I6/V6 = ~ 400 PS V8 = > 500 PS Too bad all go for modular engines using 0.5l per cylinder, meaning that the number of cylinders has a direct correlation with displacement. If for example the next M3 would get a 2.0l engine, that is not a problem per se if it was a 2.0l I6. But it will likely be a 2.0l I4, as it would use the same 0.5l displacement per cylinder as all other engines. For now the 3.8l V8s of Ferrari/Maserati and McLaren are the most interesting, as they are engines with many cylinders but lower displacement per cylinder than 0.5l. I personally don't think big engines will disappear, as long we have ICE. Look at the new 7 Series G11; it will get an even bigger V12 Biturbo, of 6.6l. Mercedes will surely try to continue developing the V12, and lower costs by selling the engine to Aston Martin that desperately needs new V8 and V12 engine. Some years ago there were rumors of Aston Martin Vantage replacement getting an I6. Now with Mercedes it is possible. The only engine I see staying, is Lexus 2UR, V8 engine, in displacement sizes 4.6, 5.0, 5.7, all made by only changing the stroke. It is so reliable, so fuel efficient and will only get better. Fitting to it some turbos will not be an issue, as we have seen with the Lexus LS TMG, it made 650 reliable PS. Last edited by BMW269; 09-21-2014 at 03:45 AM.. |
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09-21-2014, 07:55 PM | #41 | |
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135 MPH is damn fast for a stock, non-vaporware production car. That might even be a little faster than the C7 Z06. |
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09-21-2014, 08:12 PM | #42 |
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135 MPH in the 1/4 is really hard to believe at a curb weight of over 3400 lbs, 600 crank HP and AWD. The power curve must be insane or it's making way more power.
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09-24-2014, 12:02 AM | #43 |
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I Drove it last week, IMO its better then the Aventador, MC12 and the 458. ..I Traded my SL and ordered one. Just cant decide on colour
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