Steering wheel button reprogramming with Arduino without CCC

Hotter · 04-05-2021, 11:56 AM

Does anyone know what is hardware difference between these steering wheel buttons?

I know that programmable buttons need CCC, which I don't have. But what if I would add them, would I get different CAN BUS messages and could read them with Arduino and trigger the action I like?

Do they have some kind of hardware difference which changes CAN BUS message or hardware is the same just need to change something in NCSexper?

Hotter · 04-06-2021, 04:01 PM

I think different buttons has different resistors. So in theory it should be possible to install M/diamond/star buttons and they should have different resistors in the circuit which would generate different CAN BUS message and hopefully it wont trigger anything and I could receive it with Arduino and trigger something I want.

So the question is what are the resistors for M/diamond/star and other buttons? Is it possible to get circuit photos? Maybe circuit photos exists somewhere? Or anyone able to open and take photos of M/diamond/star button circuits? I would take photos of my buttons too (I have regular Disk/Rotate buttons). It would be possible to compare and see what resistors responsible for what functionality.

Hotter · 04-08-2021, 02:52 PM

I think buttons hardware is exactly the same, as its seems to send exactly same can bus messages https://www.e90post.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=73

So buttons seems to be controlled by CCC/RAD2 software...

I wonder what would happen if I would set RAD22_MDRIVE aktiv in RAD2. Would it allow me to use at least fake M button, although rotate button is even more useless...

GtiGyver · 05-19-2024, 09:26 AM

Hello Hotter.
Sorry to revive this 3 year old thread but I've been wondering the same thing.

I tried replacing the button panel with one that featured the M and diamond buttons but it had no effect, and the boards were completely identical.

Any changes you found in NCSexpert that fixed this?

Thanks

ptpending · 05-24-2024, 01:52 AM

i think that audio source and star buttons send similar signal to headunit, and ccc does allow to assign different options
the M button may send different signal, tough

GtiGyver · 05-26-2024, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptpending

i think that audio source and star buttons send similar signal to headunit, and ccc does allow to assign different options
the M button may send different signal, tough

Thanks.
Seems the feature to assign new functions for the "star" and "diamond" buttons was lost in the CCC to CIC transition.

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Hotter First Lieutenant 75 Rep 387 Posts Drives: BMW E92 328i -> 330i Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Lithuania iTrader: (0)	I think different buttons has different resistors. So in theory it should be possible to install M/diamond/star buttons and they should have different resistors in the circuit which would generate different CAN BUS message and hopefully it wont trigger anything and I could receive it with Arduino and trigger something I want. So the question is what are the resistors for M/diamond/star and other buttons? Is it possible to get circuit photos? Maybe circuit photos exists somewhere? Or anyone able to open and take photos of M/diamond/star button circuits? I would take photos of my buttons too (I have regular Disk/Rotate buttons). It would be possible to compare and see what resistors responsible for what functionality. Last edited by Hotter; 04-06-2021 at 04:07 PM..
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Hotter First Lieutenant 75 Rep 387 Posts Drives: BMW E92 328i -> 330i Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Lithuania iTrader: (0)	I think buttons hardware is exactly the same, as its seems to send exactly same can bus messages https://www.e90post.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=73 So buttons seems to be controlled by CCC/RAD2 software... I wonder what would happen if I would set RAD22_MDRIVE aktiv in RAD2. Would it allow me to use at least fake M button, although rotate button is even more useless...
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GtiGyver Lieutenant 70 Rep 462 Posts Drives: 2009 Space Grey E90 328i MT Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Montreal iTrader: (3)	Hello Hotter. Sorry to revive this 3 year old thread but I've been wondering the same thing. I tried replacing the button panel with one that featured the M and diamond buttons but it had no effect, and the boards were completely identical. Any changes you found in NCSexpert that fixed this? Thanks
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ptpending Colonel 514 Rep 2,887 Posts Drives: e81 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Poland iTrader: (1)	i think that audio source and star buttons send similar signal to headunit, and ccc does allow to assign different options the M button may send different signal, tough __________________ E81 2007 130i 6cylinder Montego blue Retrofits: Harman Kardon, High-beam assistant, Removable tow hitch. Auto-dim folding exterior mirrors. Lumbar support. Perfomance Brakes.
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