[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I think we'll find each has their advantages and drawbacks, and the GIAC seems like a great flash option. Wasn't trying to thread-jack, just wanted to set the record straight on price.

mike

Agreed, I didn't think you were trying to thread-jack Bro!

[joec500]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

I don't understand this line - the GIAC flash is 800, REVII PNP is like $1100, Dinan is $2K and a JB3 is $775

So it is comparibly prices to a JB3, hugely cheaper than DINAN and a bit cheaper than a REVII.

Rob

EDITED....What i meant is that it is cheaper than the DINAN, but comparable to the PROcede when you factor the BT tool. The JB stuff is much cheaper.

As a side note, I am always surprised when people get so nit picky about a few hundred dollars when they are purchasing a $45-50K car.

[Zeph]

you pretty much have to include the price of a BT cable when talking about JB prices. If you are running JB3 without a BT cable you might as well just leave it in when you go to the dealer. True you could run map 1 or 2 or something, but if you think somebody buys a JB3 and NEVER exceeds map 2 then you get to buy the good ole' oceanfront property in Arizona.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by Zeph

you pretty much have to include the price of a BT cable when talking about JB prices. If you are running JB3 without a BT cable you might as well just leave it in when you go to the dealer. True you could run map 1 or 2 or something, but if you think somebody buys a JB3 and NEVER exceeds map 2 then you get to buy the good ole' oceanfront property in Arizona.

It is just good marketing from Bavarian. It was not a "must" until its launch despite of the fact that at that time there were many piggies out from AA, RD, Vishnu, BMS, etc that were all very visible with good amount of torque. Threat marketing seems to work well. Its a good tool, but not for code clearing. Ask yourself how many times you have cleared a tuner code.

[DefBringer]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

It is just good marketing from Bavarian. It was not a "must" until its launch despite of the fact that at that time there were many piggies out from AA, RD, Vishnu, BMS, etc that were all very visible with good amount of torque. Threat marketing seems to work well. Its a good tool, but not for code clearing. Ask yourself how many times you have cleared a tuner code.

What other tools are available to return the ECU to a state that a dealership could not detect tampering?

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by DefBringer

What other tools are available to return the ECU to a state that a dealership could not detect tampering?

Sorry, I was a bit unclear, its a perfect and cheap tool for that.

The tuner codes are just so rare that you might not get to clear any. Most people I know have just been enjoying their cars and tunes for the last years without even knowing about BT tool. In fact I don't know anyone who would have triggered the code, denied warranty and ended up paying huge repair costs.

I would buy it for analyzing what's going on in the engine and understanding what are the effects of different mods and help to understand how to maximize the performance. I know, the most don't have the time and enthusiasm to play with it, so the analysis would not be the reason to buy it for the most.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Zeph

you pretty much have to include the price of a BT cable when talking about JB prices. If you are running JB3 without a BT cable you might as well just leave it in when you go to the dealer. True you could run map 1 or 2 or something, but if you think somebody buys a JB3 and NEVER exceeds map 2 then you get to buy the good ole' oceanfront property in Arizona.

Most people who run a JB3 don't have a BT. You would only need it if you want to run maps higher than 5, and even then detection codes on the higher maps are rare. Besides, the BT is a whole product to itself and more powerful than anything else out there in terms of diagnostics. So if you want to consider it a must have then you have to also consider you'll have much more capability in that regard.

Mike

[stressdoc]

Great review.

Please chill on the thread jacking.

[joec500]

UPDATE:

So after putting on about 200 miles of driving this weekend in temps ranging from the 90's down to the 50's I can say I really love this tune, but would be curious to drive my car side by side to a PROcede/JB3 car to see if the smoothness and improvement power delivery is a placebo effect.

I can confirm Mr 5's comments on how the car just maintains boost after upshifts. The car just FEEL faster. One thing I noticed about POST GIAC flash is that I feel that is actually smoother than stock, especially in 1st gear in traffic, when you accelerate then lift off the throttle, while stock, sometimes the car would jerk a couple times before settling in, now it's completely smooth.

I am truely loving how smooth and predictable the car performs.

GIAC has a true gem with this tune and just makes our cars more exciting.

[joec500]

Update for Local Nor Cal folks: Dick at Dynospot said they are willing to waive the Flashing Fee for the month of Sept!!!

[Andrew@GIAC]

Originally Posted by DefBringer

In the event you need to take your car into the dealer, you have a BT Scan tool that can handily clear the tuner code before servicing.

Hi DefBringer,

We actually turn that code off in our program. I still think it is a good thing, for anyone to have a BT tool to check the state of their car from time to time.

[Andrew@GIAC]

Originally Posted by joec500

Now the GIAC tune, as expected, there was a bit of lag time in getting the flash as my ECU information needed to be sent to Andrew at GIAC.

Hi Joe,

Glad you are liking the program. Garrett did your file conversion himself, to get it through quickly.

Andrew.