[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by Calvin@Vishnu

I was getting ready to sleep, but then I looked out the window and saw something in the sky... Dustin activated the e90 signal... "TO THE FORUMS"!!

That was fun... goodnight...

lol!

[335vince]

OMG Eugen sold his PROcede. Who cares, If anyone else wants to sell their unit, I'll buy it!!! I think Shiv should scan all threads for people that have complained and refuse to sell them the v2 upgrade. That will give you a reason to cry:sad0147:

[Ado]

WOW...... Can you believe that I just read all 12 pages

I'm a V2 user and the beginning of this thread scared this shit out of me Spikes to 20PIS!!!! Damn heheh and I don't even have a Boost gage, I'm actually going out tomorrow to buy one. Obviously after Shiv posted his info it ended up being untrue so I guess I'm not spiking to 20

I love the PROCede, I've had the V2 for a lil while now and I have to say that It's been great, I would have loved to be able to test out v2.0.2 especially that I had another date set with the dyno last week but I wasn't lucky enough to get it. I've postponed the Dyno day till I get the v2.0.2 map as I have the whole day to use the dyno and want to test all the map settings.

For what ever reason my dyno with V2.0.1 made less power then the any other car so I'm not sure what the prob might be.

Anyway, hehe I haven't had any issues with either of the two. I have never had any codes pop up for v1 or v2 and I've had v1 from the beginning.

To Eugene,

I will miss your informative posts about the PROCede and especially all your help with the questions I and the other forum members had regarding the PROCede. I wish you the best of luck with your next product choice.

Ado

[sambonator]

Originally Posted by 335vince

OMG Eugene sold his PROcede. Who cares, If anyone else wants to sell their unit, I'll buy it!!! I think Shiv should scan all threads for people that have complained and refuse to sell them the v2 upgrade. That will give you a reason to cry:sad0147:

Bah. Procede is for balding men.

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It is unfortunate to lose any customer. Especially when you know it is for the wrong reason. I think the email conversation will bring things to light. Can't post it without permission. And I think it's silly for it to even come to this point. But seeing how quickly opinions and conclusions are formed, I think its best for all the info to be disclosed. Some of it is a bit technical but I think there will be many people who can get the gist of it.

Shiv

i think its silly for you even to fathom to post the email log.... if you do that you'll loose even more respect down the line...

[e.n335]

Good morning !

WOW - hard to believe whats going on here. It's pretty simple why I decided to stay away from the PROcede V2 right now.

First of all, here the major reason ( already posted in this thread ):

"It was not possible for me to create torque settings providing a 11-13 psi tune without seeing spikes when I floor the pedal, getting 2 psi more boost after shifting, getting 15 psi even the torque settings limit boost to 13 psi, etc. All this happened randomly, I could not detect any reason for this. I don't talk from boost spikes lifting the pedal, these are normal and will not harm anything. Friday last week I got a quite deep and loud hoovering sound from the engine bay, lasting 3-4 seconds, disappearing when I lifted the pedal"

Second, Shiv, you still continue to behave as everytime. Instead of working on the issues you post another new record. During the testing of v2.0.2 there have been 20psi spikes, not with me but with the other beta tester. You know as well that in case of such a spike the corresponding fuel will be delivered. And, what a surprise, the fuel pump of the other beta tester seems to die or died already.

I am aware about the HPFP problem but you might agree that such a load "will bring a HPFP defect to the light", as you said. Sflgator blew his in the 1st 2 days running V2. Per ( in Sweden, no US gas ) on the airfield event, IIRC.

As long as the unexpected spikes are not eliminated, I will stay away from beta testing and using the V2. I have time to look what happens now, my car is still in an excellent condition.

In fact, my PROcede is disabled now. I prefer to see how much "will be brought to the light" and decide later, what I will do with the device.

@Shiv: If you like to post some emails I would love you to post the beta-testing mails, not my polite emails I sent to you which are interpreted from you now as emails from a hyper-sensitive customer. I am very curious what it takes to bring you back to the drawboard instead of to continue marketing a not 100% developed product.

- Eugen

[maui86]

wow... i was trying to catch up to the end of the thread and after reading a page 2 more were added everytime. by the time i got to the end, i dont quite remember what i was going to put haha.

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Good morning !

WOW - hard to believe whats going on here. It's pretty simple why I decided to stay away from the PROcede V2 right now.

First of all, here the major reason ( already posted in this thread ):

"It was not possible for me to create torque settings providing a 11-13 psi tune without seeing spikes when I floor the pedal, getting 2 psi more boost after shifting, getting 15 psi even the torque settings limit boost to 13 psi, etc. All this happened randomly, I could not detect any reason for this. I don't talk from boost spikes lifting the pedal, these are normal and will not harm anything. Friday last week I got a quite deep and loud hoovering sound from the engine bay, lasting 3-4 seconds, disappearing when I lifted the pedal"

Second, Shiv, you still continue to behave as everytime. Instead of working on the issues you post another new record. During the testing of v2.0.2 there have been 20psi spikes, not with me but with the other beta tester. You know as well that in case of such a spike the corresponding fuel will be delivered. And, what a surprise, the fuel pump of the other beta tester seems to die or died already.

I am aware about the HPFP problem but you might agree that such a load "will bring a HPFP to the light", as you said. Sflgator blew his in the 1st 2 days running V2. Per ( in Sweden, no US gas ) on the airfield event, IIRC.

As long as the unexpected spikes are not eliminated, I will stay away from beta testing and using the V2. I have time to look what happens now, my car is still in an excellent condition.

In fact, my PROcede is disabled now. I prefer to see how much "will be brought to the light" and decide later, what I will do with the device.

@Shiv: If you like to post some emails I would love you to post the beta-testing mails, not my polite emails I sent to you which are interpreted by you as emails from a hyper-sensitive customer. I am very curious what It takes to bring you back to the drawboard instead of continue marketing a not 100% developed product.

- Eugen

ouch!!!


bro im telling you, Vishnu is always about beating all other tuners time, and that dont care too much about reliability, and blown engines, i SAW with my won eyes my buddies engine blow up LOL...

AND to all the 335i's out there.... when the newest fastest car comes along, such as the new Nissan Skyline, and shiv decides to tune those cars, he WILL abandon all 335is, and all these forums, and your customer support and new maps will disappear and he will be active on the skyline forums. EXACTLY what happened when the 335 came out, and what he did to all the evo tuners.

[335vince]

Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper

ouch!!!


bro im telling you, Vishnu is always about beating all other tuners time, and that dont care too much about reliability, and blown engines, i SAW with my won eyes my buddies engine blow up LOL...

AND to all the 335i's out there.... when the newest fastest car comes along, such as the new Nissan Skyline, and shiv decides to tune those cars, he WILL abandon all 335is, and all these forums, and your customer support and new maps will disappear and he will be active on the skyline forums. EXACTLY what happened when the 335 came out, and what he did to all the evo tuners.

Does Shiv owe you money? Quit your bashing, who cares what he tunes next!
Right now he tunes BMW's

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by 335vince

Does Shiv owe you money? Quit your bashing, who cares what he tunes next!
Right now he tunes BMW's

actually. he asked out my sister

[down4it]

Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper

ouch!!!


bro im telling you, Vishnu is always about beating all other tuners time, and that dont care too much about reliability, and blown engines, i SAW with my won eyes my buddies engine blow up LOL...

AND to all the 335i's out there.... when the newest fastest car comes along, such as the new Nissan Skyline, and shiv decides to tune those cars, he WILL abandon all 335is, and all these forums, and your customer support and new maps will disappear and he will be active on the skyline forums. EXACTLY what happened when the 335 came out, and what he did to all the evo tuners.

Ill be doing the same abandon thing when the skyline comes!! Byahhh!!

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by down4it

Ill be doing the same abandon thing when the skyline comes!! Byahhh!!

[stefano7171]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Good morning !

WOW - hard to believe whats going on here. It's pretty simple why I decided to stay away from the PROcede V2 right now.

First of all, here the major reason ( already posted in this thread ):

"It was not possible for me to create torque settings providing a 11-13 psi tune without seeing spikes when I floor the pedal, getting 2 psi more boost after shifting, getting 15 psi even the torque settings limit boost to 13 psi, etc. All this happened randomly, I could not detect any reason for this. I don't talk from boost spikes lifting the pedal, these are normal and will not harm anything. Friday last week I got a quite deep and loud hoovering sound from the engine bay, lasting 3-4 seconds, disappearing when I lifted the pedal"

Second, Shiv, you still continue to behave as everytime. Instead of working on the issues you post another new record. During the testing of v2.0.2 there have been 20psi spikes, not with me but with the other beta tester. You know as well that in case of such a spike the corresponding fuel will be delivered. And, what a surprise, the fuel pump of the other beta tester seems to die or died already.

I am aware about the HPFP problem but you might agree that such a load "will bring a HPFP defect to the light", as you said. Sflgator blew his in the 1st 2 days running V2. Per ( in Sweden, no US gas ) on the airfield event, IIRC.

As long as the unexpected spikes are not eliminated, I will stay away from beta testing and using the V2. I have time to look what happens now, my car is still in an excellent condition.

In fact, my PROcede is disabled now. I prefer to see how much "will be brought to the light" and decide later, what I will do with the device.

@Shiv: If you like to post some emails I would love you to post the beta-testing mails, not my polite emails I sent to you which are interpreted from you now as emails from a hyper-sensitive customer. I am very curious what it takes to bring you back to the drawboard instead of to continue marketing a not 100% developed product.

- Eugen

I really hope your decision helps the development of the Procede and that you will jump aboard the Vishnu ship as soon as it happens.
In any case, you dismounting the Procede means something to me. I am a Shivite, and now the seed of doubt is into my mind.

PS: Seen the number of posts in the thread over one night, it may enter in the guiness of records .....

[Calvin@Vishnu]

Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper

ouch!!!

bro im telling you, Vishnu is always about beating all other tuners time, and that dont care too much about reliability, and blown engines, i SAW with my won eyes my buddies engine blow up LOL...

Are you forgetting to mention if all of your "buddies" have blown 335i motors? Or even Vishnu tuned cars for that matter?

Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper

AND to all the 335i's out there.... when the newest fastest car comes along, such as the new Nissan Skyline, and shiv decides to tune those cars, he WILL abandon all 335is, and all these forums, and your customer support and new maps will disappear and he will be active on the skyline forums. EXACTLY what happened when the 335 came out, and what he did to all the evo tuners.

I feel ya here. When VW stopped production on the Scirocco I felt abandoned... I was like, WTH VW?! Are you going to just forget about us 1974 Scirocco owners? What do you mean you don't make the window crank handle anymore??

But seriously... do we owe you money?

[Dustin Bramell]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Good morning !

WOW - hard to believe whats going on here. It's pretty simple why I decided to stay away from the PROcede V2 right now.

First of all, here the major reason ( already posted in this thread ):

"It was not possible for me to create torque settings providing a 11-13 psi tune without seeing spikes when I floor the pedal, getting 2 psi more boost after shifting, getting 15 psi even the torque settings limit boost to 13 psi, etc. All this happened randomly, I could not detect any reason for this. I don't talk from boost spikes lifting the pedal, these are normal and will not harm anything. Friday last week I got a quite deep and loud hoovering sound from the engine bay, lasting 3-4 seconds, disappearing when I lifted the pedal"

Second, Shiv, you still continue to behave as everytime. Instead of working on the issues you post another new record. During the testing of v2.0.2 there have been 20psi spikes, not with me but with the other beta tester. You know as well that in case of such a spike the corresponding fuel will be delivered. And, what a surprise, the fuel pump of the other beta tester seems to die or died already.

I am aware about the HPFP problem but you might agree that such a load "will bring a HPFP defect to the light", as you said. Sflgator blew his in the 1st 2 days running V2. Per ( in Sweden, no US gas ) on the airfield event, IIRC.

As long as the unexpected spikes are not eliminated, I will stay away from beta testing and using the V2. I have time to look what happens now, my car is still in an excellent condition.

In fact, my PROcede is disabled now. I prefer to see how much "will be brought to the light" and decide later, what I will do with the device.

@Shiv: If you like to post some emails I would love you to post the beta-testing mails, not my polite emails I sent to you which are interpreted from you now as emails from a hyper-sensitive customer. I am very curious what it takes to bring you back to the drawboard instead of to continue marketing a not 100% developed product.

- Eugen

Eugen,
I am going to let Shiv field most of these when he gets a chance, because I know the he was awaiting the chance to discuss it with you. In the mean time, I just want to touch on a few points.

Tonight, we went out to the track, and ran a 12.2. While this it is great that we broke our own record and all, it is more important that we got some more valuable test time. When we design a product, we need to take into account all types of driving. We have customers that only drive their 335 on the street, others who like drag racing, and guys like leftcoastman who are into road racing. Drivability, outright power, and power delivery weigh in differently for each of these categories. For instance, partial throttle tuning is not really important in drag racing, but is very important for those who are daily driving their cars. With that said, very few e90ers would buy our product if it only improved the drivability of the car, which is why we need to confirm the outright power at the dragstrip as well. Testing is testing, whether we are driving around town, or ripping around a race track, and we refine the maps while doing both.

In regards to the fuel pump: Yes, it is no secret that if a faulty fuel pump is destine to fail, the process will be accelerated with greater fuel consumption.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by Dustin@Vishnu

Eugen,
I am going to let Shiv field most of these when he gets a chance, because I know the he was awaiting the chance to discuss it with you. In the mean time, I just want to touch on a few points.

Tonight, we went out to the track, and ran a 12.2. While this it is great that we broke our own record and all, it is more important that we got some more valuable test time. When we design a product, we need to take into account all types of driving. We have customers that only drive their 335 on the street, others who like drag racing, and guys like leftcoastman who are into road racing. Drivability, outright power, and power delivery weigh in differently for each of these categories. For instance, partial throttle tuning is not really important in drag racing, but is very important for those who are daily driving their cars. With that said, very few e90ers would buy our product if it only improved the drivability of the car, which is why we need to confirm the outright power at the dragstrip as well. Testing is testing, whether we are driving around town, or ripping around a race track, and we refine the maps while doing both.

In regards to the fuel pump: Yes, it is no secret that if a faulty fuel pump is destine to fail, the process will be accelerated with greater fuel consumption.

You see every day that you deliver up to 1/3 more fuel with your maps compared to stock and you know that the HPFP's are a weak point in the 335i. As the steptronic, IMO, when you load it with 560-580 NM / crank.

I am asking you since months to provide maps for customers like me who want just a strong and reliable daily driver. Up to now, no way. So I hoped that the user definable torque settings will be a way to create such settings by myself. This is not possible as well, at the moment. The results I got are not consistent. Why has a customer like me to share the risk with other customers who want to drag race and probably will take additional risks to be 0.2 seconds faster than others ? It is not true that you have to satisfy everybody with one single tune, you have the ability to provide multiple tunes with your loadable maps. As said more than once, you are just not willing to do.

- Eugen

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by e.n335

@Shiv: If you like to post some emails I would love you to post the beta-testing mails, not my polite emails I sent to you which are interpreted from you now as emails from a hyper-sensitive customer. I am very curious what it takes to bring you back to the drawboard instead of to continue marketing a not 100% developed product.

Eugen-- We spend more time on the drawing board than I think you realize. The datalogs you sent us illustrates this pretty well IMHO. Datalogs that I believe you misinterpreted. When I informed you that you misinterpreted these results, informed me that you will be selling the PROcede. And this thread was born. At least that is how I see it. If you see it differently, that's cool. If it's okay with you, I'll post up our email conversion regarding beta testing results. Is that okay?

It is not true that you have to satisfy everybody with one single tune, you have the ability to provide multiple tunes with your loadable maps. As said more than once, you are just not willing to do

Not willing to do what? Make a lower output map? The idea behind v2 was that you can do just that with the user adjustable torque feature. To this day, neither dustin nor I are really not sure what you were asking in that email correspondence.

-shiv

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Eugen-- We spend more time on the drawing board than I think you realize. The datalogs you sent us illustrates this pretty well IMHO. Datalogs that I believe you misinterpreted. When I informed you that you misinterpreted these results, informed me that you will be selling the PROcede. And this thread was born. At least that is how I see it. If you see it differently, that's cool. If it's okay with you, I'll post up our email conversion regarding beta testing results. Is that okay?

-shiv

Please read my posting above yours. There is no need to post any emails, just answer the questions, please, or raise such if you have some.

I don't want any misinterpretation of anything what happened. Just discuss it here, in this thread, from the very beginning. I want to be discredited from you for what I am writing here.

- Eugen

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Please read my posting above yours. There is no need to post any emails, just answer the questions, please, or raise such if you have some.

I don't want any misinterpretation of anything what happened. Just discuss it here, in this thread, from the very beginning. I want to be discredited from you for what I am writing here.

- Eugen

Fair enough. Would it be okay if I just post up my responses to you? 12 pages of speculation, innuendo and BS deserves some closure. Plus, there's a good amount of interesting tech info in there.

Shiv

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Eugen-- ... Not willing to do what? Make a lower output map? The idea behind v2 was that you can do just that with the user adjustable torque feature. To this day, neither dustin nor I are really not sure what you were asking in that email correspondence.

-shiv

Please give me the settings for a V2 map of your choice which provides a stable, repeatable 11-13 psi tune with no boost spikes at all except I lift the pedal.

Thank you.

- Eugen

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Fair enough. Would it be okay if I just post up my responses to you? Just to clear up any doubt of what really went on behind the scenes? 12 pages of speculation, innuendo and BS deserves some closure. Plus, there's a good amount of interesting tech info in there.

Shiv

We discuss here from the beginning. No emails. We also can discuss in a couple of hours, after you slept. First question is raised already.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Please give me the settings for a V2 map of your choice which provides a stable, repeatable 11-13 psi tune with no boost spikes at all except I lift the pedal.

Thank you.

- Eugen

Running the v2.0.2 beta map I sent you, with the default user TQ settings adjusted down 2-5%, will provide that boost level depending on altitude and ambient temp. As with any moderately boosted turbo engine, there will always be some degree of boost spiking between shifts and sudden throttle openings.

Now that i've answered your question, could you re-state what you found unacceptable in the v2.0.2 datalogs you sent me. Here they are again: