[DETRoadster]

Originally Posted by cotmfk

By that rationale, this whole thread should be closed.

I like to think we are all intelligent enough to thread that needle and have a dialog around Musks investment, his management, his motives, and the direction Twitter will ultimately take on the subject of censorship, without running counter to the rules of the forum.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by TR930

How about we find out just how rich the Biden family got selling out America to the highest foreign bidder?

That laptop isn't just full of degenerate "dick pics"......

I think the US was sold out in December 1978.

[KRS_SN]

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-investigation

On several occasions over the years, Musk has told employees to imagine they had a bomb strapped to their heads in an effort to get them to move faster, according to three sources who repeatedly heard the comment. On one occasion a few years ago, Musk told employees he would trigger a “market failure” at Neuralink unless they made more progress, a comment perceived by some employees as a threat to shut down operations, according to a former staffer who heard his comment.

Five people who have worked on Neuralink’s animal experiments told Reuters they had raised concerns internally. They said they had advocated for a more traditional testing approach, in which researchers would test one element at a time in an animal study and draw relevant conclusions before moving on to more animal tests. Instead, these people said, Neuralink launches tests in quick succession before fixing issues in earlier tests or drawing complete conclusions. The result: more animals overall are tested and killed, in part because the approach leads to repeated tests.

[TR930]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-investigation

On several occasions over the years, Musk has told employees to imagine they had a bomb strapped to their heads in an effort to get them to move faster, according to three sources who repeatedly heard the comment. On one occasion a few years ago, Musk told employees he would trigger a “market failure” at Neuralink unless they made more progress, a comment perceived by some employees as a threat to shut down operations, according to a former staffer who heard his comment.

Five people who have worked on Neuralink’s animal experiments told Reuters they had raised concerns internally. They said they had advocated for a more traditional testing approach, in which researchers would test one element at a time in an animal study and draw relevant conclusions before moving on to more animal tests. Instead, these people said, Neuralink launches tests in quick succession before fixing issues in earlier tests or drawing complete conclusions. The result: more animals overall are tested and killed, in part because the approach leads to repeated tests.

So.... shoot the messenger?

[The J-Man]

Like him or not, the guy gets results. I wouldn’t bet against him with Twitter. The media reports are likely exaggerated, although he is undoubtedly making immense changes. It has only been 5 weeks and look at what has happened. He is moving incredibly quickly. How much have you accomplished in the past 5 weeks?

When he says he wants people to sign up for hardcore hours, it sounds of out touch, but we also don’t know how well they’re being compensated. People don’t subject themselves to that kind of abuse for free. Any former Twitter employee can get another job easily, so the ones that are staying are staying for a reason. I imagine the people that sign up to his culture become multi-millionaires quite quickly via equity.

[eluded]

Originally Posted by DETRoadster

Gang, can we drop the overt politics, please. Anyone who wants to discuss the last few posts above can feel free to DM eachother and discuss away to your heart's content.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by The J-Man

Like him or not, the guy gets results. I wouldn’t bet against him with Twitter. The media reports are likely exaggerated, although he is undoubtedly making immense changes. It has only been 5 weeks and look at what has happened. He is moving incredibly quickly. How much have you accomplished in the past 5 weeks?

When he says he wants people to sign up for hardcore hours, it sounds of out touch, but we also don’t know how well they’re being compensated. People don’t subject themselves to that kind of abuse for free. Any former Twitter employee can get another job easily, so the ones that are staying are staying for a reason. I imagine the people that sign up to his culture become multi-millionaires quite quickly via equity.

LOL all conjecture when the picture is all young dudes, its a cult (well, that and the people who are there with HB1 Visas who have no choice). And the dude cant shut up about ANYTHING so you know when he was touching himself to his "hardcore" flex he would be bragging about making anyone who remains millionaires too...

Also boring company is a flop, tesla is worth less than half YTD, he publicly stated he wanted out of the twitter purchase despite the fact he signed that stupid contract that made him stuck, he did that stupid $8 check thing that blew up in his face so bad he had to get rid of it in 3 days, he laid off half the workforce based on LoC and then had to hire people back realizing LoC is a stupid metric.

Edit: Shit, I forgot I also haven't spent an entire week hyping the "twitter files" that were going to blow up the world only to release that a private company decided to not show a stolen pic of hunter bidens dong...

What have I been doing with my time?

But you are right, I haven't made thousands unemployed, wiped away a hundred billion in equity value, repeatedly made an ass of myself, or posted a picture of a fake gun in the past 5 weeks.

[forumlurker]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

What have I been doing with my time?

following and doing a lot of research on someone you dislike

why?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by forumlurker

following and doing a lot of research on someone you dislike

why?

Understand your audience. Ryan isn't truly interested in anything but being antagonistic. You're better off not feeding into his online bravado.

[KRS_SN]

Oh dear
https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk...e-gig-12766825

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Understand your audience. Ryan isn't truly interested in anything but being antagonistic. You're better off not feeding into his online bravado.

LOL. Too bad Ive been right the whole time, sorry to interrupt the circle jerk over musks cracker.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Oh dear
https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk...e-gig-12766825

And the best part is now he is nuking accounts that share the video, he hasnt heard of the streisand effect.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by forumlurker

following and doing a lot of research on someone you dislike

why?

Its entertaining watching him flail and be full of shit? I mean, Ive said that a few times already.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Oh dear
https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk...e-gig-12766825

That's what his ass gets! HA!!!

[TXSTYLE]

Welp. And so it begins....

Twitter's Elon Musk is warned to prepare for 'hundreds or even thousands' of arbitration cases!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitt...133049892.html

Powerhouse labor attorney Shannon Liss-Riordan and former Twitter employees stood in front of San Francisco’s federal courthouse on Thursday with a message for Elon Musk: They won't back down.

“The richest man in the world is not above the law,” said Liss-Riordan, whose team represents clients in four different class-action lawsuits against Twitter.


Since Elon Musk took control of the social media giant in October, he has followed through on his promise of a mass layoff and a complete overhaul of the company. Even as managers and staffers resigned, he issued an ultimatum: commit to a new, “hardcore” Twitter 2.0 at which employees were expected to work long hours, or leave with three months’ worth of severance.

The lawsuits came instantly.

As questions continue to swirl around Musk's next move, ex-employees through their attorneys are seeking every possible avenue to obtain the benefits they feel entitled to in the aftermath of the tumultuous takeover. But they may face a long road ahead before they see any results — in part because many uncertainties remain over how they will proceed.


The first case was filed one day before Twitter’s first round of mass layoffs Nov. 4 with Emmanuel Cornet as one of the lead plaintiffs. Cornet was the first employee to be terminated from Twitter and has also filed charges with the National Labor Relations Board for unfair labor practices. The case alleges Cornet was a part of the layoffs and did not receive proper notice under the federal and state Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act or severance pay.

The latest case was filed late Wednesday alleging the company disproportionately targeted women in its layoffs. The complaint cited a report that 57% of female employees and 47% of male employees were laid off Nov. 4, which was found to be statistically significant.

Liss-Riordan also represents Dmitry Borodaenko, the lead plaintiff in a case against the company alleging discrimination against employees with disabilities. Borodaenko, a cancer survivor vulnerable to COVID-19, said he was fired after refusing to return to the office.

Despite the legal challenges that have already begun, a great deal hinges on two major court decisions that will determine what course of litigation the workers are able to take.

First, the court is expected to decide early next week on an emergency motion Liss-Riordan filed Nov. 9 in Cornet’s case. Though laid-off employees still have not received their official severance agreements from the company, Twitter has indicated that it will have employees sign a release of claims document to receive their severance. Signing the document would prevent the former employees from taking legal action, Liss-Riordan said.

The emergency motion would prevent Twitter from seeking those releases without first notifying employees of the pending class-action lawsuit and contact information for legal counsel. A similar motion was filed in a case against Tesla requiring the automaker to notify laid-off employees of pending litigation.

The second decision, which is set for a hearing in January, centers around arbitration agreements most Twitter employees signed as a term of employment.

Under this clause, employees with legal claims against Twitter must pursue individual arbitration, preventing them from participating in or benefiting from any class-action lawsuit filed against the company. Twitter has filed a motion to enforce that agreement, which Liss-Riordan is opposing.

Liss-Riordan said her team is ready to help file hundreds of arbitration cases against the company should the court choose to enforce the arbitration agreement.

“We'll show you one by one and then we'll file hundreds or even thousands of individual cases,” she said.

Liss-Riordan has waged similar mass arbitration campaigns against companies such as IBM, which also required workers to sign arbitration agreements and successfully enforced them, she said.

Some ex-Twitter workers have already taken the path of arbitration. Former employee Helen Sage-Lee filed a claim with the help of her attorney, Lisa Bloom, on the basis that the terms of Musk’s deal to purchase Twitter require him to provide a severance package and benefits “no less favorable” than the one promised by its prior leadership for at least a year.

The pre-acquisition package offered at least two months’ worth of severance pay as well as prorated performance bonuses, extended visa support, money for healthcare continuation and the cash value of equity that would vest within three months, according to laid-off employees as well as company documents reviewed by The Times.

Two of the class-action lawsuits Liss-Riordan filed are based on similar arguments. While employees were offered two months of pay during a “non-working” period to abide by the federal WARN Act, which requires 60 days' notice ahead of mass layoffs, Liss-Riordan argued that does not count toward actual severance promised to employees.

Twitter, which no longer has a formal communications team, could not be reached for comment.

While some are preparing themselves for extended legal battles, not everyone is prepared to pursue legal action just yet. A number of former Twitter employees are still biding their time while consulting attorneys and weighing their options.

An engineering manager who was a part of the Nov. 4 layoff said some are concerned they are still bound by employee guidelines because they are still in the non-working period and tethered to Twitter while not actually working for the company.

“So we’re supposed to act like employees right now even though we’re not working,” he said. “The last thing I want to get is being fired for cause.”

The employee said he was most concerned about the next stock vesting date, which is Feb. 1. The terms of the merger agreement should protect equity that vests within three months, which for many employees on the technical side can be worth a lot more than a month of salary.

“For me, that would be the main reason why I would consider joining a lawsuit — if that were not delivered as promised,” he said.

This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Understand your audience. Ryan isn't truly interested in anything but being antagonistic. You're better off not feeding into his online bravado.

Oh BTW, you say Im only about being antagonistic when what was your last contribution to this thread? A link to the twitter files claim and one line about "how big" this could be for it to be nothing but yet another thread about hunter bidens dong? Was it as big as you hoped?

Circle jerk indeed, but whatever floats your boat.

[KRS_SN]

Oh dear

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...er-hate-speech

Oh my dear


https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla...e-advertising/

We reported last week that Tesla tried to get the lawsuit dismissed by saying that “failure to realize a long-term, aspirational goal is not fraud.”

For those willing to go through the small claims system, Jordan’s approach might be a better short-term solution.

Interestingly, Jordan said that he used our article about the FSD subscription situation as evidence in the case in front of the judge. Funny enough, Tesla CEO Elon Musk blocked Electrek’s and my personal Twitter accounts after we posted that article.

We can’t confirm that it is the reason why we were blocked, but there was nothing else we posted around that time that could have triggered this.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Welp. And so it begins....

Twitter's Elon Musk is warned to prepare for 'hundreds or even thousands' of arbitration cases!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitt...133049892.html

Powerhouse labor attorney Shannon Liss-Riordan and former Twitter employees stood in front of San Francisco’s federal courthouse on Thursday with a message for Elon Musk: They won't back down.

“The richest man in the world is not above the law,” said Liss-Riordan, whose team represents clients in four different class-action lawsuits against Twitter.


Since Elon Musk took control of the social media giant in October, he has followed through on his promise of a mass layoff and a complete overhaul of the company. Even as managers and staffers resigned, he issued an ultimatum: commit to a new, “hardcore” Twitter 2.0 at which employees were expected to work long hours, or leave with three months’ worth of severance.

The lawsuits came instantly.

As questions continue to swirl around Musk's next move, ex-employees through their attorneys are seeking every possible avenue to obtain the benefits they feel entitled to in the aftermath of the tumultuous takeover. But they may face a long road ahead before they see any results — in part because many uncertainties remain over how they will proceed.


The first case was filed one day before Twitter’s first round of mass layoffs Nov. 4 with Emmanuel Cornet as one of the lead plaintiffs. Cornet was the first employee to be terminated from Twitter and has also filed charges with the National Labor Relations Board for unfair labor practices. The case alleges Cornet was a part of the layoffs and did not receive proper notice under the federal and state Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act or severance pay.

The latest case was filed late Wednesday alleging the company disproportionately targeted women in its layoffs. The complaint cited a report that 57% of female employees and 47% of male employees were laid off Nov. 4, which was found to be statistically significant.

Liss-Riordan also represents Dmitry Borodaenko, the lead plaintiff in a case against the company alleging discrimination against employees with disabilities. Borodaenko, a cancer survivor vulnerable to COVID-19, said he was fired after refusing to return to the office.

Despite the legal challenges that have already begun, a great deal hinges on two major court decisions that will determine what course of litigation the workers are able to take.

First, the court is expected to decide early next week on an emergency motion Liss-Riordan filed Nov. 9 in Cornet’s case. Though laid-off employees still have not received their official severance agreements from the company, Twitter has indicated that it will have employees sign a release of claims document to receive their severance. Signing the document would prevent the former employees from taking legal action, Liss-Riordan said.

The emergency motion would prevent Twitter from seeking those releases without first notifying employees of the pending class-action lawsuit and contact information for legal counsel. A similar motion was filed in a case against Tesla requiring the automaker to notify laid-off employees of pending litigation.

The second decision, which is set for a hearing in January, centers around arbitration agreements most Twitter employees signed as a term of employment.

Under this clause, employees with legal claims against Twitter must pursue individual arbitration, preventing them from participating in or benefiting from any class-action lawsuit filed against the company. Twitter has filed a motion to enforce that agreement, which Liss-Riordan is opposing.

Liss-Riordan said her team is ready to help file hundreds of arbitration cases against the company should the court choose to enforce the arbitration agreement.

“We'll show you one by one and then we'll file hundreds or even thousands of individual cases,” she said.

Liss-Riordan has waged similar mass arbitration campaigns against companies such as IBM, which also required workers to sign arbitration agreements and successfully enforced them, she said.

Some ex-Twitter workers have already taken the path of arbitration. Former employee Helen Sage-Lee filed a claim with the help of her attorney, Lisa Bloom, on the basis that the terms of Musk’s deal to purchase Twitter require him to provide a severance package and benefits “no less favorable” than the one promised by its prior leadership for at least a year.

The pre-acquisition package offered at least two months’ worth of severance pay as well as prorated performance bonuses, extended visa support, money for healthcare continuation and the cash value of equity that would vest within three months, according to laid-off employees as well as company documents reviewed by The Times.

Two of the class-action lawsuits Liss-Riordan filed are based on similar arguments. While employees were offered two months of pay during a “non-working” period to abide by the federal WARN Act, which requires 60 days' notice ahead of mass layoffs, Liss-Riordan argued that does not count toward actual severance promised to employees.

Twitter, which no longer has a formal communications team, could not be reached for comment.

While some are preparing themselves for extended legal battles, not everyone is prepared to pursue legal action just yet. A number of former Twitter employees are still biding their time while consulting attorneys and weighing their options.

An engineering manager who was a part of the Nov. 4 layoff said some are concerned they are still bound by employee guidelines because they are still in the non-working period and tethered to Twitter while not actually working for the company.

“So we’re supposed to act like employees right now even though we’re not working,” he said. “The last thing I want to get is being fired for cause.”

The employee said he was most concerned about the next stock vesting date, which is Feb. 1. The terms of the merger agreement should protect equity that vests within three months, which for many employees on the technical side can be worth a lot more than a month of salary.

“For me, that would be the main reason why I would consider joining a lawsuit — if that were not delivered as promised,” he said.

This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.

Crazy. The WARN act basically requires anyone doing mass layoffs to give appropriate notice. Might have violated that, but if they did that's pretty lame as their legal counsel should know about it.

This plaintiff's attorney apparently has done mass arbitration cases before so she might just have some leverage. Doubt there will be "hundreds or thousands" as she claims (she's talking big here) but even a few dozen will be quite the case. Of course she'll need to sign up each and every employee to pursue an arbitration case but sounds like she's done it before and in this case what makes things different is they have a LOT of pissed off workers.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

Crazy. The WARN act basically requires anyone doing mass layoffs to give appropriate notice. Might have violated that, but if they did that's pretty lame as their legal counsel should know about it.

This plaintiff's attorney apparently has done mass arbitration cases before so she might just have some leverage. Doubt there will be "hundreds or thousands" as she claims (she's talking big here) but even a few dozen will be quite the case. Of course she'll need to sign up each and every employee to pursue an arbitration case but sounds like she's done it before and in this case what makes things different is they have a LOT of pissed off workers.

Wouldn’t be surprised if many of those “mass layoffs” weren’t layoffs at all and instead structured as voluntary terminations to get a payout. I’d think those don’t require notifications under WARN Act because they are offered, not compelled. Typically, employer tells you that you can take this deal or stay and see what happens, but no deal later if you don’t take this one.

Take those out and people who have worked there for less than 6 mos. and any other exemption, and the actual number of layoffs may be below the requirement to notify. I’d be surprised if that wasn’t the case, but lawyers gotta be lawyers, especially in CA.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Wouldn’t be surprised if many of those “mass layoffs” weren’t layoffs at all and instead structured as voluntary terminations to get a payout. I’d think those don’t require notifications under WARN Act because they are offered, not compelled. Typically, employer tells you that you can take this deal or stay and see what happens, but no deal later if you don’t take this one.

Take those out and people who have worked there for less than 6 mos. and any other exemption, and the actual number of layoffs may be below the requirement to notify. I’d be surprised if that wasn’t the case, but lawyers gotta be lawyers, especially in CA.

100%
no matter what there will be lawyers trying to make a case... you know this

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

100%
no matter what there will be lawyers trying to make a case... you know this

Exactly! Get fired for cause?! Sue! Get laid off?! Sue!

[TXSTYLE]

Well I guess Elon isn't exactly sticking to his promise of Free Speech"...
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/14/tech/...ded/index.html