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Originally Posted by bimmernupe

Not to , but does this mean we can look forward to another great ED photo journal and write-up?

Heck yeah! Can't wait, picking up in July... just don't know what car yet.

[meyergru]

Originally Posted by itzkoo

my car's built date is 09/07 which is MY2008...is my car (1)May 2006 up to September 2007? or (2)September 2007 up to March 2008?
so if it is (1) then i would need to update my s/w then wastegate retro fit conversion and if it is (2) then just update the s/w to 32.1?

Frankly, nobody knows for sure. I had the same problem. As for the software, the dealer should do the upgrade via ISTA and check afterwards if the "wastegate retrofit" option is available, and if it is, apply it. If it ain't available, it wasn't neccessary (as for my car).

For the wastegates: my foreman told me, he had been instructed that the exact fitted type can only be determined by measuring the thickness of the rods. This will only be done if rattles are present after the lag fix.

[BMWagain]

I believe the european 335is go better than the US specifics do.
I think that your EPA laws sqrews you. All sacrified in the name of the holy carbon oxide- thing. Protest against the bloody enviroment protection scam. No more tax in the name of carbonedioxcide. Protestmarch all millions. Don´t believe Gore.
It´s a shame. People are so easy to fool. Drive Prius and save the planet, What BS.

[adc]

Originally Posted by BMWagain

All sacrified in the name of the holy carbon oxide- thing.

Actually there is no CO2 limitation from the EPA - just NOX, CO and other really poisonous gases. And I personally thank them for it. Just drive behind a 70s or 80s car for awhile and you'll thank me too.

The CO2 thing is - for now - just a European thing.

[Tschuss]

Originally Posted by BMWagain

I believe the european 335is go better than the US specifics do.
I think that your EPA laws sqrews you. All sacrified in the name of the holy carbon oxide- thing. Protest against the bloody enviroment protection scam. No more tax in the name of carbonedioxcide. Protestmarch all millions. Don´t believe Gore.
It´s a shame. People are so easy to fool. Drive Prius and save the planet, What BS.

Ditto re Gore. However to suggest that the US EPA has mucked up the US version over CO2 emissions is ridiculous.

BMWagain - I highly suspect that your country has signed on to the Kyoto protocol. Kindly spare us your anger. It is misdirected.

-Bill

[BMWagain]

Arent y on the save the environment thing? Like all countries.Except the third world. Obama will sign the the new deal Kyoto deal. Just see.

Aint y aware? The gas bills getting up cause energytaxes cost more in the name of save the planet.

[allan]

[Dackz]

Well, I need to take the car in for some service on something to due with the oil level indicater. It wont work, says Im low on oil yet I just had it changed.

I am having the software updated. I have pre 29.2 from what I know, since the car was an 02/08 build and had never been to the dealer until the oil change.

I am having them update the software. Per the link here and based on my date, I dont need to ask for anything lag specific do I?

I put a note in about it and said I would bring the SIB, but, I dont need anything but the 32.1 right? Since my DME/wastegates are the 'chosen' ones pretty much right? lol. Thanks for the replies. I am pretty sure I need to have nothing done but get software updated and I should be fine, with no asking for the 'lag fix'.

Thanks!

[RBBMWE46M3]

Originally Posted by Dackz

Well, I need to take the car in for some service on something to due with the oil level indicater. It wont work, says Im low on oil yet I just had it changed.

I am having the software updated. I have pre 29.2 from what I know, since the car was an 02/08 build and had never been to the dealer until the oil change.

I am having them update the software. Per the link here and based on my date, I dont need to ask for anything lag specific do I?

I put a note in about it and said I would bring the SIB, but, I dont need anything but the 32.1 right? Since my DME/wastegates are the 'chosen' ones pretty much right? lol. Thanks for the replies. I am pretty sure I need to have nothing done but get software updated and I should be fine, with no asking for the 'lag fix'.

Thanks!

your gunna get lagged

[meyergru]

Originally Posted by RBBMWE46M3

your gunna get lagged

Nope. Dackz is correct. MSD80 for sure and build date > 09/07. He can ask is dealer to double-check if the "wastegate retrofit" option is present, but I doubt it's there.

[Dackz]

Thanks Meyerguru. Im glad I ended up with a mid model 08. It seems they are the 'chosen' ones on this. MSD80 and new wastegates and all.

I will let you all know in about 2 weeks. Car doesnt go in till april 6th since they didnt have loaners until then. Im hoping I get an x5. That would be sweet.

[tomob63]

I have an '08 with 11/2007 production date.

Taking it to Patrick BWM this week for the update to 32.1 (hopefully)
as I feel a jerky response from the turbos with no power at 1500 rpm.
A real dog in "D" , so I drive it in "DS" and suffer with the mileage.

After reading the bulk of this thread, I'm confident Patrick will apply 32.1
and then go back to look if the wastegate retrofit option is needed.

The only point of contention for me, is I notice ticking at idle at times with it being more noticeable when I have windows down and I'm in line at a drive through, or bank. Perhaps I need actuator rod replacement...AND the software update.

One last thing, perhaps I need to raise concern on the 'bumping' feeling I get at times at a stoplight while in drive. It's a minor annoyance now that I've grown used to it, but thought I read there is an SIB for this issue as well. Anyone know for sure? Thought it's related to car dropping into Neutral at a stop and you feel like you are getting bumped from behind.

Thanks

[shaddai]

That bumping thing is "comfort stop" from what I've read. I drove a loaner automatic once and I hated it massively.

Good luck on the lag.

I go back to the dealer on Wednesday for yet another HPFP. While I hope it fixes the remaining lag, I don't care that much anymore. I have a feeling this car won't be mine much longer...

[paltomare]

Originally Posted by tomob63

I have an '08 with 11/2007 production date.

Taking it to Patrick BWM this week for the update to 32.1 (hopefully)
as I feel a jerky response from the turbos with no power at 1500 rpm.
A real dog in "D" , so I drive it in "DS" and suffer with the mileage.

After reading the bulk of this thread, I'm confident Patrick will apply 32.1
and then go back to look if the wastegate retrofit option is needed.

The only point of contention for me, is I notice ticking at idle at times with it being more noticeable when I have windows down and I'm in line at a drive through, or bank. Perhaps I need actuator rod replacement...AND the software update.

One last thing, perhaps I need to raise concern on the 'bumping' feeling I get at times at a stoplight while in drive. It's a minor annoyance now that I've grown used to it, but thought I read there is an SIB for this issue as well. Anyone know for sure? Thought it's related to car dropping into Neutral at a stop and you feel like you are getting bumped from behind.

Thanks

I think the bumping feeling is NIC- Neutral Idle Control, as explained to me, by default the car will put itself in neutral at a stop to conserve fuel. I had my SF deactivate it.

[Christos]

Originally Posted by tomob63

I have an '08 with 11/2007 production date.

Taking it to Patrick BWM this week for the update to 32.1 (hopefully)
as I feel a jerky response from the turbos with no power at 1500 rpm.
A real dog in "D" , so I drive it in "DS" and suffer with the mileage.

After reading the bulk of this thread, I'm confident Patrick will apply 32.1
and then go back to look if the wastegate retrofit option is needed.

The only point of contention for me, is I notice ticking at idle at times with it being more noticeable when I have windows down and I'm in line at a drive through, or bank. Perhaps I need actuator rod replacement...AND the software update.

One last thing, perhaps I need to raise concern on the 'bumping' feeling I get at times at a stoplight while in drive. It's a minor annoyance now that I've grown used to it, but thought I read there is an SIB for this issue as well. Anyone know for sure? Thought it's related to car dropping into Neutral at a stop and you feel like you are getting bumped from behind.

Thanks

I actually notice the ticking more so after my v32 update?

[jeremynpross]

Originally Posted by tomob63

I have an '08 with 11/2007 production date.

<snip> ...One last thing, perhaps I need to raise concern on the 'bumping' feeling I get at times at a stoplight while in drive. It's a minor annoyance now that I've grown used to it, but thought I read there is an SIB for this issue as well. Anyone know for sure? Thought it's related to car dropping into Neutral at a stop and you feel like you are getting bumped from behind.

Thanks

I'm the one who posted about the SIB that was applied to my car and fixed the lurching on start with AT at the same time as I got the latest software and turbo lag fix.

My full post is #4017 on this page: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...59#post4718859

Here's a link to the SIB you want about the lurch: http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/b240308g.htm

I found the SIB (aka TSB) number in cobradac's PDF list, which you should download for future reference. It's here:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=22

Instructions on how to plug any SIB number into the URL are here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...6&postcount=24

<snip> ...you can look up just about any of the TSB's by simply taking the TSB numbers (#) and inserting them between the "b" and the "g" in any SIB link, i.e., "http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/bulletin_graphic_temp/b######g.htm"

The result should look like the example URL below.
http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/b340208g.htm

Last, type or copy and paste your modified URL into your browser's address bar.

[iScream]

Originally Posted by RBBMWE46M3

your gunna get lagged

lulz great reply. YOU GONNA GET LAGGED. Someone please photoshop this. To the guy with MSD80 who thinks his car is "chosen" I think RBBMW is right. Hopefully you are not sensitive enough to notice it.

I liked the mini political flare-up we had on this page. This thread has the potential to be the most defiant of Godwin's Law ever! Unless someone already made serious reference to Hitler and I missed it.


Anyway, to actually add some value, I'll report some news... I learned recently that it is actually possible to flash a car with Progman (yes Progman) 32.1 with a wastegate conversion. I cannot guarantee it will have a desired effect -- and in my case it improved things, but not 100% -- but it is possible. I've had it performed by one service center and then independently confirmed by another service center that the operation was done.

[Dackz]

What I meant by 'chosen' is that MSD 80 can be reprogrammed, AND since my car falls between 09-07 and 03-08 that it also has the 'new' wastegates that dont rattle. That was the main reason for the fix in the first place.

Either way, lag or no lag, its still faster and better even when off boost then my old car was.

[Quisp]

iScream, You had it done via progman, and in your case it fgave better results than ISTA/TP( or toilet paper or whatever it is)? What was doifferent about having it done via progman that you felkt it was better? I am just curious sincei know very little about progman versus Ista TIP other than the new way is faster.

[canesr1]

Originally Posted by Quisp

iScream, You had it done via progman, and in your case it fgave better results than ISTA/TP( or toilet paper or whatever it is)? What was doifferent about having it done via progman that you felkt it was better? I am just curious sincei know very little about progman versus Ista TIP other than the new way is faster.

I was in the same boat, kind of. My car went in last week for "lag-fix". It was supposed to take one day. Well it turned out they were having problems with the new software and the computer kept crashing. After 3 days at the dealer, they finally fixed my "lag" with a combination of ista-p and Progman.
This is the exact quote of work done,
"Customer states there is "turbo lag". Refer to SIB 11-13-07 To retrofit program as per shop foreman"
"Retrofit program using ISTA-P. Server crashed and is not responding. TRANSFER TO PROGMAN AND RESTART RETROFIT"

My car now fells like the day I drove it off the lot! Lots of responsiveness and instant power. The lag is almost non-existant and I haven't noticed any rattling yet.

[meyergru]

Originally Posted by canesr1

I was in the same boat, kind of. My car went in last week for "lag-fix". It was supposed to take one day. Well it turned out they were having problems with the new software and the computer kept crashing. After 3 days at the dealer, they finally fixed my "lag" with a combination of ista-p and Progman.
This is the exact quote of work done,
"Customer states there is "turbo lag". Refer to SIB 11-13-07 To retrofit program as per shop foreman"
"Retrofit program using ISTA-P. Server crashed and is not responding. TRANSFER TO PROGMAN AND RESTART RETROFIT"

My car now fells like the day I drove it off the lot! Lots of responsiveness and instant power. The lag is almost non-existant and I haven't noticed any rattling yet.

I know iScream has told there is a way to "retrofit" using Progman - I tend to believe him but would prefer to get to know the details of the process.

However, I call BS on that ^^^. A gone-wrong update may be re-done with Progman. But what is called "retrofit" here seems to be the update itself, not the "wastegate retrofit". Remember, BMW says, it's only possible with ISTA/P?

Even the "retrofit" menu is missing in Progman, so how could the technician select anything in there?

The result of this would be a v32.1 update with the default options (that is, rattle-fix for cars < 09/07 and lag fix for >= 09/07. So, if your car is >= 09/07, it will have succeeded, but this is pure luck and others cannot take this route. Also, I don't believe a moment it makes a difference how the update is applied (i.e. it's better with Progman than with ISTA). If done properly and nothing else is wrong with the car, it'll do.

[canesr1]

Originally Posted by meyergru

I know iScream has told there is a way to "retrofit" using Progman - I tend to believe him but would prefer to get to know the details of the process.

However, I call BS on that ^^^. A gone-wrong update may be re-done with Progman. But what is called "retrofit" here seems to be the update itself, not the "wastegate retrofit". Remember, BMW says, it's only possible with ISTA/P?

Even the "retrofit" menu is missing in Progman, so how could the technician select anything in there?

The result of this would be a v32.1 update with the default options (that is, rattle-fix for cars < 09/07 and lag fix for >= 09/07. So, if your car is >= 09/07, it will have succeeded, but this is pure luck and others cannot take this route. Also, I don't believe a moment it makes a difference how the update is applied (i.e. it's better with Progman than with ISTA). If done properly and nothing else is wrong with the car, it'll do.

I'm not sure if you're calling bs on me or on what's on my service receipt. But that is EXACTLY what is written on it. I was told that they used a combination of the old and new systems to make it work. The SA basically said everything worked as it should have, but they had to use parts of each system. Not sure if you're gonna call BS on that too, but don't shoot the messenger