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11-20-2007, 11:56 AM | #23 | |
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11-20-2007, 02:19 PM | #24 |
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Hartge tunes the 325d to 271 horsepower, and thats conservatively rated.
591 NM. ESS says 280 hp and 600 NM. I have talked to one guy at Hartge and he told me the 325d and 330d engines are the same. Hartge also has a 231 hp alternative. Hartge does it in two steps, first to original 330d map, and then up to chipped level, probably because none of the tuners including Hartge (and with an exception of ESS) dont know where the original programs has its limitations and torque-blocks (sorry, dont know the proper english word) ESS delivers 238 hp at the rear wheels, thats 280 engine horsepower if a 15% loss is calculated. (280 hp minus 15% equals 238hp) They also claim 600 NM. I will dyno my car next week. Will get back with the numbers! |
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Guys is the 325d a 3.0 turbo also then, same as the 330d?
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11-21-2007, 02:38 AM | #27 |
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The 325d and 330d both use 3.0 litre M57TU2D30 engine.
Best information on BMW engines is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BMW_engines |
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11-21-2007, 08:57 AM | #31 | |
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I think the max torque at 1300 rpm is just a hype to try to tell people how flexible the engine is. During driving the max torque seems to be around 1800 rpm, and clearly not at 1300 rpm. I think the turbo is the same as the 330d, and Hartge have told me that this is the case 100% sure. |
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11-21-2007, 10:46 AM | #32 |
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Took a look at RealOEM and both engines (325d and 330d) use the same turbo?!?!?!
325d 330d The 318d and 320d however have different turbos.
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11-21-2007, 12:39 PM | #34 |
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kevin bird from hartge ref 325d
I have enquired at birds the hartge uk agent .kevin bird there technical director with 30+ years exp of tuning bmw says its identical for 325 /330 d just a few mods on the map .now the but its 1100 plus vat for a new hartge remap and 271 bhp is the figure he is quoting also he highly reccomends a LSD god knows how much that adds to the mod ,so the question is who is correct ??
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11-21-2007, 01:38 PM | #35 | |
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Dag How is your mileage in your 325d. Is is a 2007 or 2008 model? |
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11-21-2007, 01:47 PM | #36 | |
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Do you get anything else thrown in for that,like a new set of alloys. |
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11-21-2007, 01:48 PM | #37 | |
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And yes, the LSD will make a MASSIVE difference to the driving characteristics of the car... I'll report on the effects of the LSD (and anti-roll bars) once they've been installed tomorrow!
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11-21-2007, 02:09 PM | #39 | |
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11-21-2007, 02:18 PM | #40 |
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ya the 323d is going to be amazing i would definately prefer it to a 325d purely because less turbo-Lag that was the only thing i didnt like about my 320d that and the diesel rumble
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11-21-2007, 02:25 PM | #41 |
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ESS has no problem maxing out your engine if you would like it. The only problem is that the rest of the drivetrain might not handle the extra torque all that well. When I visited them with my 330d they simply asked me what I was looking for: Max performance but with possible reliability issues or a "safe" map within the specifications of the gearbox. I know a swedish 335d owner who are currently in contact with ESS about tuning his car to 400bhp (thats with added intercooler and other stuff).
What I'm really saying is that numbers arent that hard to achieve, but getting numbers while still having reliability is another task... ESS for instance changes your shift-pattern for the steptronic to handle the added torque.
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The remap will not be so aggressive to cause any problems. 400bhp is an awesome figure,I would hope a brakes upgrade would be included amongst 'the other stuff'. Interesting site the ESS one,and I particularly liked the following: Will ESS supercharger systems affect the new car warranty? Yes, the original manufacterer's warranty will be void if the damaged part is caused as a direct result of the supercharger system. The burden of proof is on the original manufacturer. Only warranty on components directly affected can be void. ESS Supplemental Powertrain Warranty is available and will cover any affected factory components for the remaining term of the Original Vehicle Manufacturer's New Car Warranty (up to 4yr/50.000 miles). What is the ESS Supplemental Powertrain Warranty program? ESS Supplemental Powertrain Warranty will cover any affected factory components for the remaining term of the Original Vehicle Manufacturer's New Car Warranty (up to 4yr/50.000 miles) following the same conditions and exclusions as the Original Vehicle Manufacturer's New Car Warranty. ESS Supplemental Powertrain Warranty can only be purchased with the purchase of a new ESS supercharger system directly from us or one of our authorized dealers. ESS Supplemental Powertrain Warranty is only available in Norway, USA and Canada. |
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11-21-2007, 02:45 PM | #43 |
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325 -- 330 d
So i think we have decided the engines are the same except the maps .what about gearboxes etc ?? because i am certain that i read there is a difference between the 325 /330 does any one know if thats correct thanks
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11-21-2007, 03:28 PM | #44 | |
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Manual 325d: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...41&hg=23&fg=05 330d http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...36&hg=23&fg=05 Auto: 325d: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...51&hg=24&fg=05 330d: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...36&hg=24&fg=05 |
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