n52 n54 engine swap

e92justin · 07-12-2010, 12:00 AM

sorry guys. ill just slap all of the integra drivers for swapping their weak sauce b18 engines when they could of just bought an rsx type s. or ill just talk crap about all of the nissan silvia drivers for dropping an rb20det in their car when they could of just sold their car and bought a skyline... Maybe i dont want an m3 or a 335. Maybe i wanna do something different? Once again, i apologize for using my imagination and creativity.

MOTO69JOE · 07-12-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Aonarch

This thread is retarded, but that video was insane.

Whats so retarded about it? This is nothing new. Guys have been dropping M engines and larger engines etc... into regular Bimmers for years. Have you not seen the M5 V12 crammed into a E90 and E92 chassis, pretty retarded huh? If you can get a running engine from the bay for a good price its not all that retarded... I am going to go big like I said in my earlier post. V8 from a salvaged M3. The N54 swap would be a waste for the 100 hp you would gain. Go big or go home.

mike-y · 07-12-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by e92justin

sorry guys. ill just slap all of the integra drivers for swapping their weak sauce b18 engines when they could of just bought an rsx type s. or ill just talk crap about all of the nissan silvia drivers for dropping an rb20det in their car when they could of just sold their car and bought a skyline... Maybe i dont want an m3 or a 335. Maybe i wanna do something different? Once again, i apologize for using my imagination and creativity.

why would a silvia driver swap in an RB20det when they already have an SR20DET? That would be a step down, imo. I've swapped motors into 3 different hondas, and each time it was with a motor that was never available in that car.

we already said swapping an n54 is possible, just not cost effective at this point in time. for less money than the full swap, you can probably just upgrade to a 335i, which is essentially what you would have after the swap anyway (and still have a warranty). It's not like you have an E30 or E36 and want to swap in an N54 - that would be creative. an E90 with an n54 is already readily available from the factory. There is nothing creative or imaginative about doing that.

Express · 07-12-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mike-y

why would a silvia driver swap in an RB20det when they already have an SR20DET? That would be a step down, imo. I've swapped motors into 3 different hondas, and each time it was with a motor that was never available in that car.

we already said swapping an n54 is possible, just not cost effective at this point in time. for less money than the full swap, you can probably just upgrade to a 335i, which is essentially what you would have after the swap anyway (and still have a warranty). It's not like you have an E30 or E36 and want to swap in an N54 - that would be creative. an E90 with an n54 is already readily available from the factory. There is nothing creative or imaginative about doing that.

ddigangi · 07-12-2010, 11:09 AM

i hate feeling like im shutting down someones creativity but everyone is right, if you want to be imaginative, take a platform like an n54 and take that to the next level. that is an engine built very well but has huge potential. the n52 is not a strong platform.

lux.sh · 07-12-2010, 05:31 PM

Lets stop bashing the guy and let this thread die. He already got the idea.

GreenPlease · 07-12-2010, 05:57 PM

If you're going to swap you might as well make it worth your while and make it a 2JZ or something along those lines... or an S54

e92justin · 07-12-2010, 06:22 PM

I appreciate all of the positive support i got from asking a simple question about engine swapping

bmwcar · 07-13-2010, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenPlease

If you're going to swap you might as well make it worth your while and make it a 2JZ or something along those lines... or an S54

jwjknorr · 09-25-2011, 01:12 PM

Everyone on here that has bashed him is retarded. Maybe the swap would be fun, maybe a guy blows his motor , wants to keep his frame and put a better motor in it. I personally would like a n54 motor in my car if i blew my motor.

N0OS3 · 09-25-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Aonarch

This thread is retarded, but that video was insane.

I agree... that video was insane lol

I was going to do a S85 swap myself, but i think i'm going to sell it back to the guy i bought it from... spent $10k plus the interest on the loan but i don't think i'll have the finances to do the swap in the end... or at least, by time i do, it'll be old news and no one will care (magazines and such)

Bob Shiftright · 06-09-2013, 10:37 PM

Almost anything is possible given enough time and money. Hartge stuffed a V10 into an E90, so why not? I don't think this was a drop-in mod. I'd expect it might have required major work to the firewall and engine cradle.

When Mercedes had Porsche build the 500E for them, the car was basically gutted with major work to the engine compartment and body structure to fit the big V8.

I'd probably do something else with my time and money, but it's been done.

JunkStory · 06-09-2013, 11:40 PM

the difference between a 335i and a 328i is not just the engine........

ZF vs GM transmission
bigger brakes
slightly bigger diff
exhaust

you are much better off selling the 328i and buying the 335i

Dom_J · 06-10-2013, 12:17 AM

These comments always kill me.....

We all know EVERYONE here. In this thread. This thread on the E90 post.....this thread on the E90 post NA Engine section........Had M6 Money but only bought a 335 because........they wanted to modify it to make it perform like a M3/M6 but look like an 3-series

Engine swaps kept an entire community alive w/the Honda crowd, it's a part of the "sport," that keeps it fun. I'm sure every kid mentioning a K-Swap before it's time got hit w/the "Buy an RSX" until the swap was done.

Personally, I do agree in saying that the swap could be more of a headache than it's worth BUT modifying cars in general is NEVER worth it dollar-for-dollar! The money spent could be a damn good down payment on an M3, then you could torment the 335 guys about how much they don't have an M3 lol....I guess it's all in good fun.

Besides the lack of cool looks and a few extra gadgets you miss out on by not getting the "it" model....these motors aren't built to handle much more than factory output(323i to the twin turbo M6). If I was going to do it, I'd spend 10k on fortifying the bottom end then boosting it my way. Even the all mighty GTR has to have it Rods placed to shoot past the 500hp mark. The biggest issue would be getting the necessary control over the ECU to get the tune in check.

Happy Tuning either way!

I too am debating something crazy.....or just drop a down payment on that new M3 after this deployment.

SDemetris · 06-10-2013, 11:09 AM

This is a bit off topic, but I was thinking about engine swaps the other day and was wondering about the availability of the N53 in the US.. How much of a hassle would it be to bring one of those over here from england or somewhere in the EU? I just thought it would be pretty close to the ideal engine in a E30 chassis and much less of a pain than an N52 due to its lack of valvetronic...

Burningstar · 09-29-2018, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mfstout

I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude. But it's a terrible question. You want a 335, BUY a 335. Sell your 328, take the hit, and buy the 335. Really, this is just unreal. Would you buy a 325 and then ask to have the M engine put in it? Come on. Seriously. You don't really mean this, do you? You can't? It's not possible. Tell me this is a joke.

WTF dude he just ask questions !If you are 0 in knowledge just fuc..ing shut up douchebag !I just really register just to reply on your stupid idiot reply!

Burningstar · 09-29-2018, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by e92justin

I appreciate all of the positive support i got from asking a simple question about engine swapping

You would need a lot of parts 2 fuel pumps,ecu's you also need to make new routs for your dual exhaust or remove storage plastic also could be other engine mounts not so sure but im guessing not need it !all e90 except m3 have same stuff at least on body side so my guess mounts is the same but gearbox need it from n54 version. its possible to make conversation but it will be not cheap even if you will do diy!wiring will be headache !

Burningstar · 09-29-2018, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander

This thread is retarded, but that video was insane.

What is retarded!my friend put v10 in e46 and whatttt?????

Burningstar · 09-29-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by e92justin

sorry guys. ill just slap all of the integra drivers for swapping their weak sauce b18 engines when they could of just bought an rsx type s. or ill just talk crap about all of the nissan silvia drivers for dropping an rb20det in their car when they could of just sold their car and bought a skyline... Maybe i dont want an m3 or a 335. Maybe i wanna do something different? Once again, i apologize for using my imagination and creativity.

Put better 2jz gte !!!will last longer then 3pcs of n54!

gT-BMW · 09-29-2018, 01:11 PM

man lots of haters in this thread.

I just recently found out my n52 has bad rings on 2 cylinders, so i was also looking up engine swaps for this chassis, including n54 swap. but not go turbo i was thinking of a way to increase displacement for a big n/a engine. i was researching n52 head swap on n54 block, because n54 is an iron sleeve block it may be possible bore out the cylinders to run bigger pistons, increasing displacement to maybe 3.2. This will also get rid of those silly aluminum bolts and replace with steel bolts and use arp headstuds. maybe find a good head porter, run dual valve springs maybe titanium retainers.

Im still trying to find out what material the n52 cams are made out of because if its not a steel core, or if its hollow steel core cams, the regrinding process will weaken it and possible might break. Or just keep the head stock and run slightly bigger valves, like ferrera swirl pot valves. only way to test head flow is on a cfm machine.

it could be possible to have a 300whp+ n/a e90 if everything said was possible

Phyrexia · 09-29-2018, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Burningstar

Put better 2jz gte !!!will last longer then 3pcs of n54!

Dude.

You're replying to posts from eight years ago.

What the fuck.

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jwjknorr Private 3 Rep 86 Posts Drives: 06 BMW 330i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Eggharbor Township NJ iTrader: (0)	Everyone on here that has bashed him is retarded. Maybe the swap would be fun, maybe a guy blows his motor , wants to keep his frame and put a better motor in it. I personally would like a n54 motor in my car if i blew my motor.
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Bob Shiftright Save The Manuals! 64 Rep 491 Posts Drives: E91 Schleppwagen Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: PRNJ iTrader: (0)	Almost anything is possible given enough time and money. Hartge stuffed a V10 into an E90, so why not? I don't think this was a drop-in mod. I'd expect it might have required major work to the firewall and engine cradle. When Mercedes had Porsche build the 500E for them, the car was basically gutted with major work to the engine compartment and body structure to fit the big V8. I'd probably do something else with my time and money, but it's been done. __________________ 2008 E91 36K, 6-speed, RWD, Alpine, Terra, Xenons, ZSP, ZCW, ZPP, PDC, CA, alarm, M shifter and M brake handle, Euro rear fog light switch, Euro aspheric mirrors, rear power outlets, Euro split armrest, Lidatek, remote V-1, Cocomats, beach sand, $10 clutch stop mod. 1998 Volvo V70T5 226K, 5-speed, original clutch (third clutch pedal!), aspheric driver's mirror, E-code headlights, IPD sway bar, strut tower brace & skidplate.
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JunkStory Major 160 Rep 1,307 Posts Drives: E92 M3, 8V RS3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: 98230 iTrader: (3)	the difference between a 335i and a 328i is not just the engine........ ZF vs GM transmission bigger brakes slightly bigger diff exhaust you are much better off selling the 328i and buying the 335i
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Dom_J Private 11 Rep 58 Posts Drives: E90 LCI 335 xdrive Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Antonio iTrader: (0)	These comments always kill me..... We all know EVERYONE here. In this thread. This thread on the E90 post.....this thread on the E90 post NA Engine section........Had M6 Money but only bought a 335 because........they wanted to modify it to make it perform like a M3/M6 but look like an 3-series Engine swaps kept an entire community alive w/the Honda crowd, it's a part of the "sport," that keeps it fun. I'm sure every kid mentioning a K-Swap before it's time got hit w/the "Buy an RSX" until the swap was done. Personally, I do agree in saying that the swap could be more of a headache than it's worth BUT modifying cars in general is NEVER worth it dollar-for-dollar! The money spent could be a damn good down payment on an M3, then you could torment the 335 guys about how much they don't have an M3 lol....I guess it's all in good fun. Besides the lack of cool looks and a few extra gadgets you miss out on by not getting the "it" model....these motors aren't built to handle much more than factory output(323i to the twin turbo M6). If I was going to do it, I'd spend 10k on fortifying the bottom end then boosting it my way. Even the all mighty GTR has to have it Rods placed to shoot past the 500hp mark. The biggest issue would be getting the necessary control over the ECU to get the tune in check. Happy Tuning either way! I too am debating something crazy.....or just drop a down payment on that new M3 after this deployment. __________________ LAST 24 MONTHS = E90 328i LCI xdrive SOLD / E36 328is Because Race car / 11-Volvo S40 T5 SOLD / 96-Japanese Evo 4 SOLD / 04-Saturn Ion Redline SOLD/ 10-V6 Camaro SOLD / E90 LCI 335XI aaaand I think I found a winner ...do it right or do it twice(or more)
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SDemetris FSAE Dude 61 Rep 759 Posts Drives: E90 328xi Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA iTrader: (0)	This is a bit off topic, but I was thinking about engine swaps the other day and was wondering about the availability of the N53 in the US.. How much of a hassle would it be to bring one of those over here from england or somewhere in the EU? I just thought it would be pretty close to the ideal engine in a E30 chassis and much less of a pain than an N52 due to its lack of valvetronic... __________________ 2007 TiAg 328xi: AA Tune, AFE intake, Full exhaust, 335xi Brakes, H&R RSB, UUC FSB, H&R Sports, Billy Sports...BBS SR 17x8 1985 Gazelle Beige 325e: Poly everything, e24 3.25 LSD, 225 lb weight reduction, Corbeau FX1, Shifter machined by me, roll bar, harness, all the other goodies. My "Racecar"...15x7 BBS RA
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gT-BMW Lieutenant 213 Rep 438 Posts Drives: 06' 325i 6spd Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: FL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 BMW 325i [0.00]	man lots of haters in this thread. I just recently found out my n52 has bad rings on 2 cylinders, so i was also looking up engine swaps for this chassis, including n54 swap. but not go turbo i was thinking of a way to increase displacement for a big n/a engine. i was researching n52 head swap on n54 block, because n54 is an iron sleeve block it may be possible bore out the cylinders to run bigger pistons, increasing displacement to maybe 3.2. This will also get rid of those silly aluminum bolts and replace with steel bolts and use arp headstuds. maybe find a good head porter, run dual valve springs maybe titanium retainers. Im still trying to find out what material the n52 cams are made out of because if its not a steel core, or if its hollow steel core cams, the regrinding process will weaken it and possible might break. Or just keep the head stock and run slightly bigger valves, like ferrera swirl pot valves. only way to test head flow is on a cfm machine. it could be possible to have a 300whp+ n/a e90 if everything said was possible Last edited by gT-BMW; 09-29-2018 at 01:25 PM..
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