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02-15-2022, 06:36 PM | #23 | ||
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I was speaking with a German citizen car enthusiast today and he confirmed M-B's reputation in Europe is low quality (many problems and failures on the vehicles).
M-B is circling the drain. Their new car delivered quality is poor, and medium term reliability is abysmal. Engine failures requiring engine replacement at less than 100k miles are not unusual across their engine lineup, not isolated to AMG high output engines. Last edited by chassis; 02-16-2022 at 10:45 AM.. |
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02-15-2022, 07:46 PM | #26 | |
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Regarding original topic, the art of interior design is balancing familiar design language yet enough difference to distinguish high-end models. Same with exterior. OP - I agree BMW has gone too far in similarity across the range. I believe more than historically for BMW. Exterior is a different story. But MB has too much similarity in exterior design - e.g., C vs S class look extremely similar. |
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02-15-2022, 08:29 PM | #27 |
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You couldn't be more wrong OP.
The interiors are similar because it takes years and millions of dollars to prove and design a sturdy interior, they don't want customers to be the tester of a failed design. I love BMW interiors for their simplicity. I want to drive and not fumble through screens like Tesla and Volvo and now even Vw to change the climate or radio. I want to be able to touch the interior and not hear squeaks like a Mercedes which has flashy interiors but I find them tacky and won't age well. The interior on a BMW feels like it's been carved from a solid piece of granite |
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02-16-2022, 05:42 AM | #28 |
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Maybe its time for a Toyota ... err... Lexus...
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02-16-2022, 06:10 AM | #29 | |
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A difference between series is not related to quality concerns, it's a cost saving decision that's causing fatigue. It's OK if it is someone's first BMW, but I've been driving BMWs since 1999. Changing every 3 years feels like I'm getting into the same car lately.
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As similar as they may look, I can guess that few parts are actually the same exact part between the series. That would blow your cost-saving theory.
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02-16-2022, 08:12 AM | #31 | |
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02-16-2022, 10:43 AM | #32 |
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02-16-2022, 12:01 PM | #33 | |
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Creating a design which enables the driver (and to a lesser extent the front passenger) to be a better driver while providing a meaningful experience takes time + money. Standardizing supply chain, optimizing parts mix while reducing costs remains a constant goal as well. This design is always constrained by the function, i.e. the driver still has to drive and not participate in some form of a future Olympics event, such as "let's exercise every finger on the iPad while not looking at the road". Prior to the recent times, the design did evolve in the right direction: dial controllers (on the console and the steering wheel) to control iDrive + other features, bigger screens, HUD, navigation suggestions on the HUD, and many other evolutionary improvements. What concerns me the most is change for the sake of change in recent designs produced by BMW and others: - Erase the dashboard, delete the majority of helpful buttons, add velcro, and attach an iPad - Since traditional drivetrain / driveshaft is absent in EVs, let's emphasize the newly gained space where center console used to be by adding a living room couch instead of 2 seats - The newly gained 3 cubic feet in the middle should be the source of continuous admiration - Wishing for a center console with easy to access controls is no longer fashionable nor welcome - Unexplainable fascination with crystal buttons while providing no other options - Wheels in newer EVs - while suggesting a more aerodynamic design to reduce drag - compel the buyer to look for non-OEM alternatives reducing revenue and margins |
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02-16-2022, 12:32 PM | #34 | |
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BMW has been the worst car as far as parts and reliability that I've ever owned. Same with my brother who also won't buy another. Ultimately what we need to all admit is that cars nowadays simply suck. My new F250 is horrible and makes me miss the older models, my previous 5 were simply excellent. I enjoy my 07 model much more than the new one. I have an Omni GLH, fun but horrible little car but the nice thing is parts are almost always under $10. Gone are the days of keeping cars around long term, just like houses they are made to be thrown away. When I bought my Audi I told the salesman wow there is a ton of stuff to go wrong in this thing. Freaking space ship it is. |
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02-16-2022, 12:55 PM | #35 |
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I am new to BMW. I like the interiors. I think they are stylized yet not loud or over the top anywhere. I can see the advantage of having a similar look across the models. It is easier to communicate to the consumer that this is a BMW. If you got a good thing, why change it.
I could get behind the idea of the Ms getting a more aggressive line in the design of the dash and doors. Then you would have some variety that would make some sense. Ms are a slightly different consumer market, so that could work. |
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02-16-2022, 01:15 PM | #36 | |
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02-16-2022, 04:46 PM | #37 |
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The only thing I like about the new G-series BMWs are the engines. The exterior styling is plain copycat and the grille is ugly. People like the interior but imo it lacks composition. I don't like the look of the M-sport steering wheel and the plastic looks cheap. The screen version of the dash is too busy and I don't like it for many reasons. The new BMWs just do not inspire upgrade money and is the main reason I kept my F-series after lease. After all these years I still do look back at my parked car when walking away. When I see a G-series, I look away.
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02-16-2022, 05:25 PM | #38 | |
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My E-fleet feels like one familiar space - and I like it. Weather it is E91 (city/work), E90 (summer mountain ride) or E70 (winter ski trip) - I do not have to think twice about control placement or functionality difference. I find the long straight highway stretch boring. Twisty mountain road is never boring: there is no time for iDrive, mobile device or checking interior features - the BMW helps enjoy the ride Two interior design items that puzzles me in E9X series are trunk release and door lock button placement ... I can live with it Last edited by POBEP; 02-16-2022 at 05:34 PM.. |
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02-17-2022, 08:42 AM | #39 | |
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02-17-2022, 10:26 AM | #40 |
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I strike middle ground here.
I like having a family resemblance, to a degree. But to OP's point, I was not able to discern at all which car was which based on the interior photos that were shared. It does seem off putting that a 750's interior is basically the same as a 330 but with upgraded materials and mildest of stylistic changes. |
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02-17-2022, 11:06 AM | #41 |
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My two cents...first, I'll defend Audi. I've had five of them and kept them all to a minimum of 8 years without costs other than servicing, brakes, etc. Either I've just been lucky or they are good build quality. Their interiors are best in class.
Having said that I'm waiting delivery on an X5 45e. In December I was upgraded to an X5 40 by Hertz for a California/Arizona road trip. It was impressive in terms of easy adaptation to the entire driver interface for a car I had never driven. The PHEV purchase was a personal decision, but I wanted to get a 2022 before the new all digital IX screens arrive. I truly hope that I will be as happy as a long term BMW owners as I've been with Audi. So net/net, as a relative newbie/returner to BMW (I owned 3 in the '90's and early 2000's) I really like the current interior. |
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02-17-2022, 02:15 PM | #42 | |
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E39 E46 vs. E39: There's certainly a family resemblance but you can tell the difference, especially at the center floor console which is completely different. G20: G42: G20 vs. G42: It looks the same! The center floor console looks interchangeable - they probably are. You have to look to the doors to tell the difference. The two modern BMW interiors go beyond family resemblance. They're practically twins! |
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02-17-2022, 02:35 PM | #43 |
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Try again when you have both E46 and E39 with nav or both without. Of course it's going to look different when one has screen in the center stack and the other doesn't.
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