[Craig@SupremePower]

We don't offer AR DP's... you have an axe to grind take it elsewhere!!

Originally Posted by vbmw335

Yes that's correct AR fan boi......oh wait ...you guys get paid to be a fan boi dont you??

[john boxter]

haha thats funny he just wants to feel good about himself

[vbmw335]

Originally Posted by Craig@SupremePower

We don't offer AR DP's... you have an axe to grind take it elsewhere!!

But you are true AR fanboi...good job they need some...try focussing on your business , you will sell some ...instead of your useless posts . Remember you are a vendor and you have to behave like one.

[persian54]

Umm.. some good posts and some... well... fighting posts lol..

I did say let's not start a war

it's just that $350 for Vk, and about $500 for RR

the price is $150 difference, and if VK is comparable, then why pay more?
However, if RR is significantly better, than the $150 is worth it..

I just rather not dish out more money for just a brand name.. I prefer quality over name... (then again, i DID buy a BMW lol... not saying bad quality, nonono but we should all agree that BMWs are more pricey than Infitinis and such due to the badge [you can't say a G37 is a bad car; nor can you say a 370Z is a bad car])

AR though, is significantly more than the rest...

[brianhn1]

I have the RR DPs catless/coated and they might be a tight fit but they work great so far.

[vbmw335]

Originally Posted by john boxter

haha thats funny he just wants to feel good about himself

And you Sir, you have to first do some reading on what the benefits of ceramic coating are...before you say its for rust protection.

Please educate yourself before saying something ...there are a lot of smart people here who can help.

[packinDSS]

Originally Posted by vbmw335

I have the VK DP's i know how they perform ....why do you have a comparsion done with data?? Post it up for please...now you are the one who is running your mouth with no facts.

Jeez ...all the AR fan boi's are desperately trying to hold the fort..lol...just check out their group buy...they hardly sold any...VK sold 60 + for a reason...plus AR keeps spreading their negative marketing to save their business...they have no tech facts ...all they do is cry like a baby " made is china is shit"

If AR product was that good and worth the money ...they will sell like hot cakes and fill up all group buys and VK wont have 60+ customers.

Guys wake up and get a life ...USA cannot live now without chinese made products ...its as simple as that in the global economy.

Dp's are not an inter continential ballistic misssile ...its just a simple pipe, any part of the world can make it and welding has been around for a long time....

VK seems to make a good product (in China) and does not POACH us with the BMW TAX.....so what is the problem? I can't wait to see their price point on exhaust. About time a vendor broke ranks and stopped ripping us off!

[vbmw335]

Originally Posted by persian54

Umm.. some good posts and some... well... fighting posts lol..

I did say let's not start a war

it's just that $350 for Vk, and about $500 for RR

the price is $150 difference, and if VK is comparable, then why pay more?
However, if RR is significantly better, than the $150 is worth it..

I just rather not dish out more money for just a brand name.. I prefer quality over name... (then again, i DID buy a BMW lol... not saying bad quality, nonono but we should all agree that BMWs are more pricey than Infitinis and such due to the badge [you can't say a G37 is a bad car; nor can you say a 370Z is a bad car])

AR though, is significantly more than the rest...

You got it right...cant go wrong with either one...whatever suits best from a budget and quality standpoint is the best IMHO.

[vbmw335]

Originally Posted by packinDSS

VK seems to make a good product (in China) and does not POACH us with the BMW TAX.....so what is the problem? I can't wait to see their price point on exhaust. About time a vendor broke ranks and stopped ripping us off!

Exactly ...In fact i saw somewhere that AR's cost on Dp's was 300+ ...so these guys are pocketing some good cash...that's where the BMW tax goes ..

Heck the exhaust on my 911 turbo is chinese made, well they dont advertise that , but i know. It does its job and sounds great! who cares...i could have paid 5k for europipe or tubi...but i spent my money elsewhere.

[ar design]

Originally Posted by vbmw335

But you are true AR fanboi...good job they need some...try focussing on your business , you will sell some ...instead of your useless posts . Remember you are a vendor and you have to behave like one.

If anyone is coming across as a fanboi, its you.

Originally Posted by persian54

Umm.. some good posts and some... well... fighting posts lol..

I did say let's not start a war

it's just that $350 for Vk, and about $500 for RR

the price is $150 difference, and if VK is comparable, then why pay more?
However, if RR is significantly better, than the $150 is worth it..

I just rather not dish out more money for just a brand name.. I prefer quality over name... (then again, i DID buy a BMW lol... not saying bad quality, nonono but we should all agree that BMWs are more pricey than Infitinis and such due to the badge [you can't say a G37 is a bad car; nor can you say a 370Z is a bad car])

AR though, is significantly more than the rest...

For good reason.

Originally Posted by vbmw335

Exactly ...In fact i saw somewhere that AR's cost on Dp's was 300+ ...so these guys are pocketing some good cash...that's where the BMW tax goes ..

Heck the exhaust on my 911 turbo is chinese made, well they dont advertise that , but i know. It does its job and sounds great! who cares...i could have paid 5k for europipe or tubi...but i spent my money elsewhere.

That is strictly material/labor cost. Doesn't calculate overhead, or dealer margin. Put those two figures in the equation, and we make a LOT less than you'd think.

[TurboSid]

ar design dp's are fully 3"... vk's are not. I still chose vk but you might wanna take that into consideration when you (OP) make your choice.

I can't speak for the RR but I think they're not fully 3".

[TurboSid]

Originally Posted by ar design

That is strictly material/labor cost. Doesn't calculate overhead, or dealer margin. Put those two figures in the equation, and we make a LOT less than you'd think.

Agreed. Its annoying to business owners (myself included) when people think its just material/labor and don't know all of the fixed and variable, tangible and intangible costs that go into producing a quality product.

This applies to vk/rr/ar etc.

[vbmw335]

AR thanks for clarifying your cost structure...I have nothing against AR , your products should sell based on its merits not negative marketing. Simple as that ...I am out of this thread and good luck.

[ar design]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

Agreed. Its annoying to business owners (myself included) when people think its just material/labor and don't know all of the fixed and variable, tangible and intangible costs that go into producing a quality product.

Extremely. You can understand how annoying it gets.

[ar design]

Originally Posted by vbmw335

AR thanks for clarifying your cost structure...I have nothing against AR , your products should sell based on its merits not negative marketing. Simple as that ...I am out of this thread and good luck.

I am sorry you feel we are being "negative".

I asked some simple questions, and asked a vendor to back up claims he made. Nothing more, nothing less. I do not feel that is negative marketing. We can back up all of the claims we have made on this board. That cannot be said for everyone.

[Craig@SupremePower]

I don't even have to reply you embarass yourself enough...

Originally Posted by vbmw335

But you are true AR fanboi...good job they need some...try focussing on your business , you will sell some ...instead of your useless posts . Remember you are a vendor and you have to behave like one.

[kyleb350]

Someone needs to end this 2.5" vs. 3" tapered to 2.5" argument and dyno both of these!

[ridin135]

Originally Posted by kyleb350

Someone needs to end this 2.5" vs. 3" tapered to 2.5" argument and dyno both of these!

agreed

[ModBargains.com]

Kind of confused on the argument -The AR DP's are great and made in the US, but how are you saying they are expensive. They are right in the same market price as say the UR or RR DP's, catless at 699 is same price that the other companies sell for. VK's is a different situation where there is a group buy going on so price can't be compared.

[Bomis]

what i have learned is that polished welds dont hold up that good, and if you ad quite some heat to them the could crack, correct me if im wrong....and if you ad the cold winters that we have in sweden/europe it would be even worse, right? AR chime in...

[ar design]

Originally Posted by Bomis

what i have learned is that polished welds dont hold up that good and if you ad quite some heat to them the could crack, correct me if im wrong....and if you ad the cold winters that we have in sweden/europe it would be even worse, right? AR chime in...

Absolutely, grinding and polishing welds greatly weakens them. Ask ANY certified welder here in the USA if he grinds/polishes his welds - and check out the look on his face.

We love to show off our fabrication and welding skills - no need to hide anything

[Bomis]

AR is a league of its own....... and i dont think 549 or 600$ is a rip off for that much quality that those babies comes with.... the most important thing for me is Quality....performance is of course another good thing that also comes with the package...but that was not the question here...so drop the dyno discussion....