[Arrowhead]

I just drop my car to Fremont BMW this morning. SA said he will file PUMA case and have engineer to check my car. I printed out mishenka's cylinder head replacment to him as reference, but he said he doesn't know if I will get the replacment. It's all case by case.

I will see how it goes and will update. Maybe its time to talk to an attorney for lemon law.

[Xtype0]

Originally Posted by Arrowhead

I just drop my car to Fremont BMW this morning. SA said he will file PUMA case and have engineer to check my car. I printed out mishenka's cylinder head replacment to him as reference, but he said he doesn't know if I will get the replacment. It's all case by case.

I will see how it goes and will update. Maybe its time to talk to an attorney for lemon law.

Oh how I wish Canada had the lemon law.

[garyhgaryh]

I picked up my car directly from the factory with 0.1 miles on it. I put 200 miles on it the next day, got outside to take pictures of the snow on the side of the road and noticed the ticking. My car is a 2008. I hope this ticking is "normal" and will go away once the engine is broken in.
Gary

[Xtype0]

So the dealership finally heard it and the BMW HQ tech has authorized a replacement of a cylinder head. It'll take a few days to do the swap so we'll see what this new cylinder head will do about the ticking noise.

[Arrowhead]

UPDATED! Car is back from dealer after one week and they replaced 3 lifters due to the lifters collapsed..they didnt do the cylinder head replacement. Serivce manager said this will fix the ticking after that...we will see then

Btw, he said he is going to order M Aerodynamic Kit for me b/c of the inconvenience But he didnt say what he going to do if the ticking comes back after this.

[Xtype0]

Originally Posted by Arrowhead

UPDATED! Car is back from dealer after one week and they replaced 3 lifters due to the lifters collapsed..they didnt do the cylinder head replacement. Serivce manager said this will fix the ticking after that...we will see then

Btw, he said he is going to order M Aerodynamic Kit for me b/c of the inconvenience But he didnt say what he going to do if the ticking comes back after this.

Is the Service Mgr. throwing it in for free or just at cost? How'd you score that? I have to kill just to get a BMW loaner and not a rental, not to mention scoring something free out of this.

[italiano1980]

Originally Posted by Miami Bimmer06

if you want i will scan my dealer work order do you can they that they replacede everything just like they did to Mishenka

Hey...MiamiBimmer06...what dealership in Miami did you go to??? I just discovered this post a few weeks ago and want to take my car in. I think I am having this ticking problem. It sounds like the wave file posted early in this post except the noise in my car is a little fainter. I noticed it from the first day i got the car 3 years ago but the dealer told me it was normal. I never thought much of it because it never got worse, but it was always there...it happens more when it is cold...but even when it is warmed up...it is faintly there.

thanks for the help

[Arrowhead]

Originally Posted by Xtype0

Is the Service Mgr. throwing it in for free or just at cost? How'd you score that? I have to kill just to get a BMW loaner and not a rental, not to mention scoring something free out of this.

Looks like Canada dealer is a big Ass@#$. I always get loaner while the car is in service. But i do make the request 2 days earlier everytime i need service!

Everything is free (painted and installed). I dont need to pay a dime but i am still waiting for the kit though. I called BMWNA to complain and have them to call the service manager how unhappy I am consider a loyal customer.

[Xtype0]

Originally Posted by Arrowhead

Looks like Canada dealer is a big Ass@#$. I always get loaner while the car is in service. But i do make the request 2 days earlier everytime i need service!

Everything is free (painted and installed). I dont need to pay a dime but i am still waiting for the kit though. I called BMWNA to complain and have them to call the service manager how unhappy I am consider a loyal customer.

Well, atleast you got something out of it. I just called them today and they said they reassembled the car and started it but it sounds like an asthma patient while idling..........

So they have to retrace what they did and do some rework. I hope they screw it up so much that they have to give me a new one. I'm just getting very tired of this.

[Alpine]

Winter is back and so is my ticking.

When Hell freezes over, BMW Nashville will give me the M-Tech kit.

[cn555ic]

Yeah when its really cold outside the ticking starts when i first start the car, but after a while it is less noticeable or no longer ticking...I think its just the time it takes the oil to heat up to lube the lifters...who knows but I heard it on all the new cars too so i am not really bothered by it..

[ages944]

Yeah, mine's ticking again pretty much daily now.

Was at the 30k service today, and they said they could not replicate. Starting to think they're just plain lying, because I love how the car magically behaves itself whenever it gets near the dealership. Yeah, right.

[Alpine]

Originally Posted by ages944

Yeah, mine's ticking again pretty much daily now.

Was at the 30k service today, and they said they could not replicate. Starting to think they're just plain lying, because I love how the car magically behaves itself whenever it gets near the dealership. Yeah, right.

For me, I think its the truth. See, I have to drive on the interstate to get to my dealer, so my rpm's are up and the "bleeding" procedure is happening. When I finally get to my dealer, the lifters are all lubed up, and it takes about a week for them to tick again. Ugh...

[gentooguy]

Well I have had the same problem that all of you have been having. However, after hearing from the service center and BMW of North America telling me it is normal I decided to take matters into my own hands! I did not want some stupid service tech opening up my engine because from what I have seen when most of them should be working at McDonalds anyway. Here is what I have done to pretty much completely cure my valve tick. After trying the bleeding procedure which I don't recommend people to do because of stress to the engine when not moving, (stupid idea on my part), I decided to do an oil change. Originally I had the factory BMW 5W-30 oil I was having ticking when the car was cold and when the oil heated up and got thinner the ticking went away. I then switched to Mobile 1's 0W-40 after a lot of research. To my surprise this fully resolved my ticking problem when the engine was cold due to the thinner oil when cold. However, when the oil got warmer it thickened, enhancing protection to the engine but causing the tick to come back when warm. However it was much quieter than the cold tick. I then realized that the perfect oil to use for this engine would be German Castrol Edge 0W-30. The 0 would be great for the cold weather due to it being thin. Therefore on cold starts you have better circulation of oil. No tick there. Then with 30 when the oil heats up it is not too thick and just the right weight. Therefore there should be no tick when the engine heats up either. The only thing I don't like about 30 is that my engine ran much hotter with 5W-30 and 0W-30 then with 0W-40. The 40 seems to protect the engine much better and stays cooler longer. My engine temps with Mobile 1 0W-40 never exceeded 230 whereas with 5W-30 I saw temps as high as 260 and 270. I had minimal ticking with 0W-40 but with 0W-30 I have no ticking. Another thing you can do is use 0W-40 with some Rislone or AutoRx, (don't use more than half a quart), this will ensure a clean engine and will thin the 0W-40 a bit. Keep in mind though that synthetics already have cleaning agents of their own. All oils that I have used are BMW approved and have the label on the back for the approval. They are of course also approved for turbocharged engines. From what I understand the ticking is not harmful and most 335's do it but it is definitely annoying. I know that the camhead was changed in 08 models but it still occurs. However ticking is harmful if it is consistent with RPM's when revving the engine, it will sound more like a rod knock than tick, In that case definitely you will need to replace the valve lifters, rods, etc..
I hope this helps people! It sure helped me!!!! Now I just have to get my brake squealing under control.

[Alpine]

Originally Posted by gentooguy

Well I have had the same problem that all of you have been having. However, after hearing from the service center and BMW of North America telling me it is normal I decided to take matters into my own hands! I did not want some stupid service tech opening up my engine because from what I have seen when most of them should be working at McDonalds anyway. Here is what I have done to pretty much completely cure my valve tick. After trying the bleeding procedure which I don't recommend people to do because of stress to the engine when not moving, (stupid idea on my part), I decided to do an oil change. Originally I had the factory BMW 5W-30 oil I was having ticking when the car was cold and when the oil heated up and got thinner the ticking went away. I then switched to Mobile 1's 0W-40 after a lot of research. To my surprise this fully resolved my ticking problem when the engine was cold due to the thinner oil when cold. However, when the oil got warmer it thickened, enhancing protection to the engine but causing the tick to come back when warm. However it was much quieter than the cold tick. I then realized that the perfect oil to use for this engine would be German Castrol Edge 0W-30. The 0 would be great for the cold weather due to it being thin. Therefore on cold starts you have better circulation of oil. No tick there. Then with 30 when the oil heats up it is not too thick and just the right weight. Therefore there should be no tick when the engine heats up either. The only thing I don't like about 30 is that my engine ran much hotter with 5W-30 and 0W-30 then with 0W-40. The 40 seems to protect the engine much better and stays cooler longer. My engine temps with Mobile 1 0W-40 never exceeded 230 whereas with 5W-30 I saw temps as high as 260 and 270. I had minimal ticking with 0W-40 but with 0W-30 I have no ticking. Another thing you can do is use 0W-40 with some Rislone or AutoRx, (don't use more than half a quart), this will ensure a clean engine and will thin the 0W-40 a bit. Keep in mind though that synthetics already have cleaning agents of their own. All oils that I have used are BMW approved and have the label on the back for the approval. They are of course also approved for turbocharged engines. From what I understand the ticking is not harmful and most 335's do it but it is definitely annoying. I know that the camhead was changed in 08 models but it still occurs. However ticking is harmful if it is consistent with RPM's when revving the engine, it will sound more like a rod knock than tick, In that case definitely you will need to replace the valve lifters, rods, etc..
I hope this helps people! It sure helped me!!!! Now I just have to get my brake squealing under control.

How long has it been since you changed to 0W-30? For me, when my engine is revved up for a long period of time, the ticking doesn't come back for about a week. Not trying to burst your bubble, but it might be the case. If not.. Woohoo!

[gentooguy]

It has been a little more than a month now. I have to say that I am really pleased with the way the engine sounds now. Sounds much healthier when cold and warm. Btw, I experienced the same when pushing my car hard while on BMW (Castrol) 5W-30 I could get the ticking to go away for a few days but it would come back. What engine oil are you using currently?

[msinfo_us]

Originally Posted by gentooguy

Well I have had the same problem that all of you have been having. However, after hearing from the service center and BMW of North America telling me it is normal I decided to take matters into my own hands! I did not want some stupid service tech opening up my engine because from what I have seen when most of them should be working at McDonalds anyway. Here is what I have done to pretty much completely cure my valve tick. After trying the bleeding procedure which I don't recommend people to do because of stress to the engine when not moving, (stupid idea on my part), I decided to do an oil change. Originally I had the factory BMW 5W-30 oil I was having ticking when the car was cold and when the oil heated up and got thinner the ticking went away. I then switched to Mobile 1's 0W-40 after a lot of research. To my surprise this fully resolved my ticking problem when the engine was cold due to the thinner oil when cold. However, when the oil got warmer it thickened, enhancing protection to the engine but causing the tick to come back when warm. However it was much quieter than the cold tick. I then realized that the perfect oil to use for this engine would be German Castrol Edge 0W-30. The 0 would be great for the cold weather due to it being thin. Therefore on cold starts you have better circulation of oil. No tick there. Then with 30 when the oil heats up it is not too thick and just the right weight. Therefore there should be no tick when the engine heats up either. The only thing I don't like about 30 is that my engine ran much hotter with 5W-30 and 0W-30 then with 0W-40. The 40 seems to protect the engine much better and stays cooler longer. My engine temps with Mobile 1 0W-40 never exceeded 230 whereas with 5W-30 I saw temps as high as 260 and 270. I had minimal ticking with 0W-40 but with 0W-30 I have no ticking. Another thing you can do is use 0W-40 with some Rislone or AutoRx, (don't use more than half a quart), this will ensure a clean engine and will thin the 0W-40 a bit. Keep in mind though that synthetics already have cleaning agents of their own. All oils that I have used are BMW approved and have the label on the back for the approval. They are of course also approved for turbocharged engines. From what I understand the ticking is not harmful and most 335's do it but it is definitely annoying. I know that the camhead was changed in 08 models but it still occurs. However ticking is harmful if it is consistent with RPM's when revving the engine, it will sound more like a rod knock than tick, In that case definitely you will need to replace the valve lifters, rods, etc..
I hope this helps people! It sure helped me!!!! Now I just have to get my brake squealing under control.

Do you have an oil cooler? And if you don't mind expanding on the 08 new camhead? Thank you.

[Alpine]

Originally Posted by gentooguy

It has been a little more than a month now. I have to say that I am really pleased with the way the engine sounds now. Sounds much healthier when cold and warm. Btw, I experienced the same when pushing my car hard while on BMW (Castrol) 5W-30 I could get the ticking to go away for a few days but it would come back. What engine oil are you using currently?

I have whatever oil was originally in my car from BMW. I assume 5W-30. Where did you buy the 0W-30?

[gentooguy]

Originally Posted by Alpine

I have whatever oil was originally in my car from BMW. I assume 5W-30. Where did you buy the 0W-30?

I think you can buy German Castrol 0W-30 at AutoZone otherwise you will have to special order it.
See link here:

Castrol Edge 0W-30

However Mobil 1 0W-40 you can get at any AutoZone or AdvanceAutoParts stores.

Just make sure that BMW approves the oil you are going to use or you risk voiding your warranty. Look for BMW-LL01 or BMW-LL04 on the label at back.
I would stick with Castrol Edge 0W-30 as BMW has some kind of deal with Castrol.

[gentooguy]

Originally Posted by msinfo_us

Do you have an oil cooler? And if you don't mind expanding on the 08 new camhead? Thank you.

I do not have an oil cooler nor do I need one. I have never experienced limp home mode. I push my car quite hard occasionally but I don't race.
I was told by several people at BMW that they redesigned the cam head in 08 to help improve oil circulation at the top of the engine. However, from what I have heard from people who have the 08 models theirs also tick. The ticking is quite common for these types of engines and only poses a problem if the ticking is more like a knocking is very loud and is consistent with revs or rpms as in the video here:
Ticks with rev
If you have a ticking like that get to your service center asap.
Good Luck!

[Alpine]

Originally Posted by gentooguy

I do not have an oil cooler nor do I need one. I have never experienced limp home mode. I push my car quite hard occasionally but I don't race.
I was told by several people at BMW that they redesigned the cam head in 08 to help improve oil circulation at the top of the engine. However, from what I have heard from people who have the 08 models theirs also tick. The ticking is quite common for these types of engines and only poses a problem if the ticking is more like a knocking is very loud and is consistent with revs or rpms as in the video here:
Ticks with rev
If you have a ticking like that get to your service center asap.
Good Luck!

I think we all have ticking like that. I know I do. Multiple service center have said its normal. (Not mine because mine won't replicate in shop)

Apparently your ticking was not like that. Was yours not consistent with the revs/rpms?

[ages944]

Originally Posted by gentooguy

I do not have an oil cooler nor do I need one. I have never experienced limp home mode. I push my car quite hard occasionally but I don't race.
I was told by several people at BMW that they redesigned the cam head in 08 to help improve oil circulation at the top of the engine. However, from what I have heard from people who have the 08 models theirs also tick. The ticking is quite common for these types of engines and only poses a problem if the ticking is more like a knocking is very loud and is consistent with revs or rpms as in the video here:
Ticks with rev
If you have a ticking like that get to your service center asap.
Good Luck!

ahhh, young grasshopper....

That is the tick I started the thread over.
My dealership told me yesterday that the tick "should quiet as engine warms."
This is the same dealership that replaced my valve lifters almost 2yrs ago.