[Alfisti]

Jesus you gibber.

EV's don't lose half their battery range in 4 to 5 years, they just don't, i really don't know what to tell you.

Canada's legislation is crystal clear, PHEV's are allowed under the EV umbrella. This is not as significant as I thought because we will likely just follow what happens in the USA and your legislation, as always, is far, far more complicated as you have this aversion to letting the feds run the country.

[Car-Addicted]

Efthreeoh Right as usual. Let me add another new issue:
Proposed Decision for the Reconsideration of the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for Particulate Matter (PM)
The Advance Program is a collaborative effort between EPA, states, tribes, and local governments. It encourages expeditious emission reductions primarily in attainment areas to help these areas continue to meet the NAAQS.
https://www.epa.gov/pm-pollution/pro...ds-particulate

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Oooooooof so the US is different to Canada. So you're in a real conundrum because to start selling 80% BEV's in 2035 the manufacturers need to move NOW, not tomorrow, not Thursday... NOW, to have product ready.

Exactly.

Now, just to throw a monkey in the wrench (John McClain) it seems most of the US market is not hip on BEV. The bad press from the Great Polar Vortex EV Fiasco of 2024 is not going to help much.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Efthreeoh Right as usual. Let me add another new issue:
Proposed Decision for the Reconsideration of the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for Particulate Matter (PM)
The Advance Program is a collaborative effort between EPA, states, tribes, and local governments. It encourages expeditious emission reductions primarily in attainment areas to help these areas continue to meet the NAAQS.
https://www.epa.gov/pm-pollution/pro...ds-particulate

Yeah, I was going to toss in the newly proposed EPA emissions standards, but CARB is bad enough. I'm waiting for the catalytic converter mask mandate (EPA teaming up with NIH) because as you know, CO2 is a pollutant and GHG.

You can take a deep breath now... WAIT!!! Don't!

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Exactly.

Now, just to throw a monkey in the wrench (John McClain) it seems most of the US market is not hip on BEV. The bad press from the Great Polar Vortex EV Fiasco of 2024 is not going to help much.

Yeah this was always my position as stated above, I am not one of these freedom loving, gun toting, right wing twitter circle jerk anti-EV types (not naming names in this thread). I am a pragmatist, a ruthless pragmatist. I cannot FATHOM how we are EV ready by 2035, i just cannot see it. But it is only 10 years away so manufacturers need to plan NOW, and they are handcuffed straddling what they think/see in the market and what government is telling them to do.

I see this going one of two ways, soon enough the legislation allows PHEV's as a half way point and moves BEV totality to 2045. Or. we get to maybe 2032 or 2033, government then panics and does an about face and the entire industry is fucked in the arse.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Yeah this was always my position as stated above, I am not one of these freedom loving, gun toting, right wing twitter circle jerk anti-EV types (not naming names in this thread).

You have called me a "gibber" and implied that I'm a "freedom loving, gun toting, right wing twitter circle jerk anti-EV types".
Thanks for making my day.

[Alfisti]

The gibberer thing is a borderline aussie compliment. Well said in jest anyways.

Point being, I don't come at this from a knee-jerk reaction perspective and I vett my information sources. The pragmatist in me simply , utterly cannot get past the combination of A) charging time and b) public charging facilities that would be needed.

Interestingly, I had similar discussion maybe 5 to 7 years ago re. AI driving, IT WAS COMING, IT WAS GOING TO REVOLUTIONISE US ... i said it was never gonna happen in our life time, got called all sorts of names and won a few $$$$$ on friendly bets as it has totally fizzled out.

EV's have a place, there's a legit market ... but it ain't a be all solution.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Point being, I don't come at this from a knee-jerk reaction perspective and I vett my information sources. The pragmatist in me simply , utterly cannot get past the combination of A) charging time and b) public charging facilities that would be needed.

I always stand by my posts. As a trained geologist a long time environmentalist and the owner of company that sells LiPo batteries and has raced them for a decade I think my prospect on the ramifications of wide spread use of LiPo powered EV's comes from a very informed background. I do hate LiPo batteries and I might reevaluate that when solid state batteries make the market but the construction of solid state batteries is also likely to equally as environmentally questionable.

Originally Posted by Alfisti

EV's have a place, there's a legit market ... but it ain't a be all solution.

I can agree with that but I want the percentage of acceptance to be determined by the free market an not the heavy handed force of the government and unelected global elites.

[Alfisti]

"Global Elites" ..... where do you guys come up with this stuff.

You can stand by your posts but the Sun is a rag and EV batteries do not lose half their charge in 4 years. You then referenced the warrant of the battery being 5 years or whatever when an ICE warranty is usually 3 to 4 years and we expect them to last 10 to 15 years.

[Car-Addicted]

'We're pressing pause on' EVs: City's $5 million electric bus fleet breaks down
January 22, 2024
Asheville, North Carolina, is looking to reinvest in biodiesel-powered buses after investing millions of dollars in an electric fleet that is only partly operable, WLOS reported.
Cities across America are starting to regret their massive electric bus investments as they continue to pour funds into costly, time-consuming repairs.
Asheville purchased five Proterra electric buses in 2018 for $5 million. Since then, the city has spent more than $200,000 to build vehicle chargers. Additionally, Asheville spends $118,000 annually for the contract to lease the buses' batteries and another $45,481 to charge the vehicles, according to Asheville's interim transportation director, Jessica Morriss.
"If you added that altogether, I think, probably $900,000 to $1 million is what each one cost. And, since then, we've had to invest additional money into maintaining them and fixing them," she added.
McDaniel explained that the buses could travel only about 78 miles, equivalent to about three trips to the airport, before they must be charged for several hours.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/we-re-...et-breaks-down

Same tune different song

[Alfisti]

$1M per bus, blimey.

[Car-Addicted]

Inside the EV reckoning
Business Insider
The electric vehicle segment is experiencing a watershed year as long-held aspirations for the automotive industry meet with reality.
At the start of the year, in response to bloated inventory and slowing sales, Tesla CEO Elon Musk slashed prices on his most popular models. This kicked off a price war in the segment that dragged down the value of new EVs from Ford and GM.
Electric car sales have been on the rise for the last few years as technology improved and more options became available. But dealers are starting to warn about a change in the average EV shopper that could bring a plateau to the segment. With wealthy early adopters largely sated some 10 years after Tesla started selling the Model S, it's now up to companies and their dealers to pitch EVs to a more average shopper – a difficult task so far.
https://www.businessinsider.com/insi...-sales-2023-11

[Car-Addicted]

Electric Vehicle Owners Are Frustrated and Demand the Return of Gas Cars
January 17, 2024
Electric vehicle owners are frustrated and demand the return of gas cars. Electric cars may represent the future of transportation, but many EV owners now want out. The anticipated revolution in electric vehicles (EVs) appears to be hitting a speed bump.

Toyota is looking smarter every day and BMW is looking more stupid every day.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

$1M per bus, blimey.

Bet you could get a great deal on a slightly used Electric Bus.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Electric Vehicle Owners Are Frustrated and Demand the Return of Gas Cars
January 17, 2024
Electric vehicle owners are frustrated and demand the return of gas cars. Electric cars may represent the future of transportation, but many EV owners now want out. The anticipated revolution in electric vehicles (EVs) appears to be hitting a speed bump.

Toyota is looking smarter every day and BMW is looking more stupid every day.

More and more zombies are infiltrating the Munich Bayerische hq, the sooner Mr T gets in the better.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

"Global Elites" ..... where do you guys come up with this stuff.

Steve bannon

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Electric Vehicle Owners Are Frustrated and Demand the Return of Gas Cars
January 17, 2024
Electric vehicle owners are frustrated and demand the return of gas cars. Electric cars may represent the future of transportation, but many EV owners now want out. The anticipated revolution in electric vehicles (EVs) appears to be hitting a speed bump.

Toyota is looking smarter every day and BMW is looking more stupid every day.

This is the kinda shite I am talking about. There's enough legit practical issues with EV's that you don't need to resort to this AI generated web scraping trash.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by enthonyp

Asheville should wait until electric bus technology is more mature before making a major investment. So the transition to electric vehicles may be more complicated than anticipated

Asheville does what is on the woke Top 100 list.
In turn, the once great little getaway is approaching shitehole status.
Look it up.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

This is the kinda shite I am talking about. There's enough legit practical issues with EV's that you don't need to resort to this AI generated web scraping trash.

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

[M5Rick]

I'm only joining up for a car breakdown firm where the president is not a greenie, like AA's Edmund King.

''What is the point of EV's at all''

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by enthonyp

Asheville should wait until electric bus technology is more mature before making a major investment. So the transition to electric vehicles may be more complicated than anticipated

That's the EV mantra then, everyone should just wait...

Seriously. If everyone and every city waits, how do the EV companies make money?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Asheville does what is on the woke Top 100 list.
In turn, the once great little getaway is approaching shitehole status.
Look it up.

And established to serve and support a Robber Baron. Oh, the irony!