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05-01-2012, 08:06 AM | #45 | |
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if someone wants to get their car tuned for mods they have installed or dyno'd, the should go to an privately owned garage. but if someone wants to have a new intake, exhaust, or even supercharger installed, i see no reason why BMW (after an owner signs off, acknowledging that bmw is not liable for any damaged caused by the parts being installed) wouldnt look to make a quick buck by charging their standard mechanics hourly rate to do the work. problem here is that its easier for bmw to not touch a modded car and avoid any controversy/problems that results from aftermarket parts. |
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05-01-2012, 08:24 AM | #46 | |
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Furthermore, who is to say what is a safe mod and what is not? I don't expect a multi-national, multi-billion dollar public company like BMW AG to take some tuner clown's word for anything on a car they've spent hundreds of millions testing and researching! The only way for BMW to be consistent is to deny warranty work if they see mods...or maybe look the other way if they think they have nothing to do with the issue at hand. they are covering their ass, plain and simple. I'd do the same thing in their shoes. Let's remember this is a for-profit company not a car modification advocacy group. Not trying to be argumentative here...i love tuning these cars but I also am realizing the risk I am assuming by doing so. I think you're being very naive here...just my two Lincolns...
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05-01-2012, 08:55 AM | #47 | |
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ive modded 5 current gen cars at this point, mods are risky. you shouldnt want to deflect said risk just to cover your ass when something goes wrong.
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05-01-2012, 09:06 AM | #48 | |
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naive maybe, and i completely agree that BMW has better things to do then go from tuner to tuner & determine wats "safe", but BMW isnt ignorant and currently endorses a selective few aftermarket performance companies. Alpina specifically comes to mind, especially since you can go into a BMW dealer and purcahse the alpina b7. bmw has also gotten into the aftermarket business by offering "bmw performance" parts, specifically things like exhaust, intake & even tune upgrades, so IMO the aftermarket-trend is starting to have such a significant impact that even the production companies are giving it more attention w/ specific models (1, 3 & M cars). |
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05-01-2012, 11:15 AM | #49 | ||
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something else just occured to me from a marketing standpoint. if BMW offered too many mods for the 335...not as many people would be likely to buy an M3...this is just my theory - I have no proof that this is part of their thought process but it could be. Notice that the 335is, both in price and performance, is just slightly below that of its E92/3 M3 cousin...they are very good at marketing, that's why a sucker like me has spent half his morning on this silly board instead of doing my work!!! I don't think Alpina is a good example since that is a super luxo version and anyone buying that is not worried about incidental repair costs and they sell a few hundred globally. Anyways I see your point and understand where you are coming from. I think it just comes down to a risk assessment on BMW's part...they figure the profit they'd make from modders like us doesn't justify the risks they would take working on our cars with these highly enjoyable (but fickle) mods! Cheers.
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05-01-2012, 11:32 AM | #50 |
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100% agree that BMW marketing has done it's homework & basically created a car for every niche. IMO, they ditched the N54 motor because they realized it had way too much power potential and was taking away from M3 sales (hence why the 335is utilized the N54 when the N55 was being used in the normal 335i at the same time). Other problem with using the twin-turbo setup on the N54 is that the next F80 M3 (all this is rumors) is supposed to also be a twin-turbo setup. Excluding displacement & the DCT trans, it probably would be very difficult for a substantial performance difference to exist between two different 6-cylinder, twin-turbo'd engines.
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05-01-2012, 12:10 PM | #51 | |
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also alpina, isnt "aftermarket". its very integrated with bmw, but offers a warranty through them (this is in europe). the example is just invalid as a comparison here, because their pricing structure builds in a cash float for any warranty work in the future should bmw invalidate for aftermarket products. your burger tuning or vishnu doesnt do that. dinan does. compare pricing and you see the same trend. how long as dinan been pimped at bmw dealerships? bmw has offered "performance" parts for a while, but they technically dont go with the warranty of it, its under accessory warranty, slightly different.
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05-01-2012, 12:11 PM | #52 |
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my problem is that on the forums i talk to every one like they are working for me instead of being the customer.
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05-01-2012, 12:13 PM | #53 | |
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so if the motor is just as powerful stock, how is it not going to take away sales from the m3 just as the n54 did?
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05-01-2012, 12:19 PM | #54 | |
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05-01-2012, 12:25 PM | #55 | |
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and you are right. lol.
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05-01-2012, 12:26 PM | #56 |
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yeah, hemi, I don't get it!
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05-01-2012, 12:32 PM | #57 | |
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http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=684529 Factually incorrect? Tri-turbo, just like whether or not the engine will be a straight 6 of v6, its all speculation. As of right now, there really are NO facts -- For all we know the next M3 coupe might be rebranded the M4 (I hope to God that it won't be). I also never said it was going to be an N54, my comparison was that it would be a bit foolish for BMW to have to two (one in the 335i & one in the next M3) twin-turbo'd six cylinder engines in the same model range. |
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05-01-2012, 12:34 PM | #58 |
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Can't remember where I saw it, but this is the 1st time that the M3 is going to be given its own chassis designation that will be different from the standard 3-series
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05-01-2012, 12:42 PM | #59 | |
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05-01-2012, 12:49 PM | #60 | |
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05-01-2012, 12:51 PM | #61 | |
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mercedes is already a step ahead of bmw imho, with the new 550 motor and the new 5.5TT AMG motor. granted, i only say this cause i dont like the sdrive 50i motor, at all. but im anxious to hear about the new m5 motor.
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05-01-2012, 12:52 PM | #62 |
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nope, both N55 according to BMWusa.com I think you're getting confused...whenever you see "twin power technology" that is code for N55...the 335is was N54 until I think 2011 or something.
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What I'm most interested in is when the new M3/M4 comes out, how will it stand up acceleration wise?? The new 8-speed ZF auto has nearly neutralized the power difference between the 328's 4-cylinder turbo (5.9 sec 0-60) and the 335i 6-cylinder turbo (5.4 sec 0-60). Seems like the M3 will carry over the DCT trans (the M5's using it now), so hopefully the gearing will be able to put the M3/M4 in mid/low 4's for its 0-60 time. |
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05-01-2012, 12:56 PM | #64 | |
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a 2012 335is is not an n54? just checked it here, and its the n54 for the is.
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05-01-2012, 12:57 PM | #65 | |
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ps ive driven both the f30 328 and the f30 335i (cousins has the 335i and female has a 328) and theres enough of performance gap between the two of them. especially after 60.
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... a half second is significant in 0-60 times. I wouldn't go as far as to say it is neutralized...
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