Version 30 ECU update..

Lotus99 · 06-10-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Quisp

For those of you that got the update and it has lowered performance below the advertised levels and that was a major determining factor in your decision to buy.

Where did you get that factoid from? These cars are advertised at 300 HP and 300 ft lbs of torque. It's common knowledge that BMW probably rated them lower than actual (most likely so it wouldn't compete marketing wise with the M3 that was coming out), and I've read estimates that they're really putting out 320 to 330 HP.

So are you saying that now with the new software the cars are putting out LESS than 300 HP? I seriously doubt that, even if BMW did reduce HP from before...

BzzzBom · 06-10-2008, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus99

Where did you get that factoid from? These cars are advertised at 300 HP and 300 ft lbs of torque. It's common knowledge that BMW probably rated them lower than actual (most likely so it wouldn't compete marketing wise with the M3 that was coming out), and I've read estimates that they're really putting out 320 to 330 HP.

So are you saying that now with the new software the cars are putting out LESS than 300 HP? I seriously doubt that, even if BMW did reduce HP from before...

BMW's big claim for the N54 was NO TURBO LAG.

KSAF · 06-10-2008, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Shiv has mentioned that the new turbo lag is from wastegate duty during cruise/low load conditions which has been lowered to 15-20% instead of 40-50% as with earlier ECU software versions.... its also the same reason for the lower exhaust note.

Will the V3 fix that problem??

ezatnova · 06-10-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BzzzBom

BMW's big claim for the N54 was NO TURBO LAG.

Yes, THIS is the beef we have with 29.2 and BMW AG. NOT peak power. The motor is a lag-ster now, whereas before it was smallblock snappy.

Malek@MRF · 06-10-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KSA ///M3

Will the V3 fix that problem??

yes it has the ability to do whatever it wants with the wastegates and how they behave.

eugene335 · 06-10-2008, 07:44 PM

We should have some benchmark the 29.2 to see if there is a definite drop in HP...

Robertbog · 06-10-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by eugene335

We should have some benchmark the 29.2 to see if there is a definite drop in HP...

there isnt, its a lag issue.

BMW opened up the wategates way more, during idle completely open, take some strain off the turbos. Well thats not exactly what I was told when I bought the car now is it.

AJerman · 06-10-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alan93rsa

Some of you may recall the Mustang hp issue a few years back. I can't remember the specifics but it revolved around inflated ho numbers.

99 Cobras made less power than advertised. Ford put out a recall and fixed them all.

Hell, all BMW has to do is give us better performing software. Judging from the people who got upgraded to 29.2 and noticed the lag they didn't have before (and of course because of what we know is causing it), it can all be put back with a flash.

alan93rsa · 06-10-2008, 08:07 PM

AJerman, thanks for the specifics

LambOfGod · 06-10-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AJerman

99 Cobras made less power than advertised. Ford put out a recall and fixed them all.

Hell, all BMW has to do is give us better performing software. Judging from the people who got upgraded to 29.2 and noticed the lag they didn't have before (and of course because of what we know is causing it), it can all be put back with a flash.

1 more post and you're at 1,000!

Kerosene Hat · 06-10-2008, 09:18 PM

For Christ's sake, if BMW were to do it right, w/ all v29.2+ vehicles (new and existing), they'd install or retrofit one of these w/ clear instructions in the manual to press around 3k rpm...

ybbiz34 · 06-10-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerosene Hat

For Christ's sake, if BMW were to do it right, w/ all v29.2+ vehicles (new and existing), they'd install or retrofit one of these w/ clear instructions in the manual to press around 3k rpm...

Quisp · 06-10-2008, 10:17 PM

Does anyone know if the way the car performs after the 29.2 update would do anything to reduce the stress on the HPFP or the turbos? I can't get past the thought that maybe this progman version is to help with the wastegate, turbo or HPFP problems that a lot of the cars have been having. It is a lot cheaper to do an ecu update than to change an engine component.

AJerman · 06-10-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LambOfGod

1 more post and you're at 1,000!

Didn't notice that until the next post becuase I saw my rank had changed.

NPDAN · 06-10-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdude

MacDonald's is as standarized as a company gets. But those old enough to remember the way it used to be might find the way I said it a tad humorous. Apparently you're not of the proper age.

I was around as well to know what your talking about,,,,

LambOfGod · 06-11-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NPDAN

I was around as well to know what your talking about,,,,

Perhaps you should have made reference to te National Debt.

I remember the MickyD sign. Damn I'm old.

hotrod2448 · 06-11-2008, 08:31 AM

I also seem to remember something in their ad campaign regarding how low in the RPM range the car made 300ft/lbs of torque. If it spools up so much later that won't be true anymore either.

Watch them be lowering the performance in order to sell the original software as their performance flash.

I believe Mazda had to refund a lot of deposits on the RX-8 for not being able to deliver the level of HP they announced initially. Not sure if any actually made it to the consumer before they corrected the advertised hp though.

BzzzBom · 06-11-2008, 09:20 AM

300 ft-lbs of torque available from 1400 RPM and NO turbo lag.

ezatnova · 06-11-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BzzzBom

300 ft-lbs of torque available from 1400 RPM and NO turbo lag.

Y'all with 29.2 know what a crock this is now. Want to put your fist through your dashboard? Try flooring the car at 1400 rpm in third gear, hell, even second. You can take a short nap, then wake up, then the car will start to accelerate properly. So frustrating.

Again, it's a shame we are all posting and posting here with ZERO more info on an actual damn version 30.0. False thread start I assume. Not sure if I mentioned it, but I talked to Jonathan (JSpira) and he has no knowledge/confirmation of any V30.x existing, and he pretty much knows everything like that.

I'm REALLY close to wasting my friggin time and going to my dealer and saying:
"I'm sick of this. I don't know what the hell you can do about it, and I know it's not directly your fault, but this sucks. Give me the keys to a non 29.2 335 on the lot, and let's go for a drive, then we'll go for a drive in mine. Then you tell me why I paid $47,000 for this thing when I could have kept my $25,000 and paid-off WRX."

leftcoastman · 06-11-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ezatnova

Y'all with 29.2 know what a crock this is now. Want to put your fist through your dashboard? Try flooring the car at 1400 rpm in third gear, hell, even second. You can take a short nap, then wake up, then the car will start to accelerate properly. So frustrating.

Again, it's a shame we are all posting and posting here with ZERO more info on an actual damn version 30.0. False thread start I assume. Not sure if I mentioned it, but I talked to Jonathan (JSpira) and he has no knowledge/confirmation of any V30.x existing, and he pretty much knows everything like that.

I'm REALLY close to wasting my friggin time and going to my dealer and saying:
"I'm sick of this. I don't know what the hell you can do about it, and I know it's not directly your fault, but this sucks. Give me the keys to a non 29.2 335 on the lot, and let's go for a drive, then we'll go for a drive in mine. Then you tell me why I paid $47,000 for this thing when I could have kept my $25,000 and paid-off WRX."

Man, I feel your pain. I bought this car because of the lag-less turbo also...it's a real shame that they are tweaking it to INCREASE lag.

Maybe BMWNA is reading posts that talk about how <10k in mods will make a 335i faster than the new M3 both in a straight line and on the track.

hotrod2448 · 06-11-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by leftcoastman

Maybe BMWNA is reading posts that talk about how <10k in mods will make a 335i faster than the new M3 both in a straight line and on the track.

I'd like think they are aware of what a cars full potential is with a little aftermarket love when they design it.

leftcoastman · 06-11-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hotrod2448

I'd like think they are aware of what a cars full potential is with a little aftermarket love when they design it.

My take is that they do.....and then they sell those "M-Division" mods for $25k.

When Mr. Kline, Mr. Quaife and Mr. Pathak are able to do the same for <$10k, the business plan for M Division no longer works perfectly.

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