[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by UFhypz335

I don't think anyone tried to sit here and tell you they are "well made" - what constitutes well made anyways? Pretty welds and a t3 steel stamp(for the guy above)??? We are talking about exhaust piping bro, its not like were strapping pep boys body kits on our cars, its EXHAUST piping, 2 feet of piping at that. Damn I bet a LOT of R&D goes into making a bigger outlet pipe without catalytic coverters

Yeah, thats true but the bends in the DP's are the most complicated bends in the entire line. If you mess up one of the sections the whole things off and you have to deal with rattle.

It has nothing to do with R&D, its manufacturing tolerances that come into play.

But, like I said, this whole argument is silly b/c no matter what, everyone will never agree.

[C4sF80M3]

Which is why I stated the critical fitment of the pipe had "ZERO" issues. One bung was welded off center. Seriously it was 175 shipped, how could I complain about the rear bung being off center?

Originally Posted by ///M3THOD

Yeah, thats true but the bends in the DP's are the most complicated bends in the entire line. If you mess up one of the sections the whole things off and you have to deal with rattle.

It has nothing to do with R&D, its manufacturing tolerances that come into play.

But, like I said, this whole argument is silly b/c no matter what, everyone will never agree.

[UFhypzM3]

Originally Posted by c4s335i

Which is why I stated the critical fitment of the pipe had "ZERO" issues. One bung was welded off center. Seriously it was 175 shipped, how could I complain about the rear bung being off center?

The only issue with my install was about a half inch space between the DP's and the exhaust which was easily remedied by repositioning the exhaust a bit. I paid $160 from a forum member! Can't complain!

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by ///M3THOD

This whole conversation is a waste of time.

Maybe you can get the point across..you obviously get what I am saying, everything you've written is spot on.

and for Mr.Mechanic up there telling me about soldering or welding..i work and fab on my 1G Eclipse which is my DD so yeah i know how to solder..but that car is almost 20 years old and has 165K miles

Im not about to put crap parts on my 335i which I bought brand new and has been meticulously kept..to save a few hundred bucks

[UFhypzM3]

Originally Posted by tibra1

Maybe you can get the point across..you obviously get what I am saying, everything you've written is spot on.

and for Mr.Mechanic up there telling me about soldering or welding..i work and fab on my 1G Eclipse which is my DD so yeah i know how to solder..but that car is almost 20 years old and has 165K miles

Im not about to put crap parts on my 335i which I bought brand new and has been meticulously kept..to save a few hundred bucks

/yawn

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by tibra1

Exactly, its a proven fact that raceland and the like have piss poor fitment, crappy welds, rust issues..etc. Ok you may get the occasional one that fits and the next 5 don't, i'm not willing to play the odds, I didnt pay retail for any of my stuff anyways plus ..re the 335i DPs Raceland's website writes:

"The Raceland stainless steel down pipe for the BMW will increase your horsepower with a substantial torque increase resulting in much better throttle response at any RPM."

They clearly DO NOT say T304-Stainless Steel, which is like saying they dont use it.

Raceland downpipes are T304-SS. I purchased them way back as I was one of the first guinea pigs for it. I did sell them shortly after, for no reason besides I wanted 3" dp's.

By the way, Raceland has amazing customer service and will gladly take back the downpipes with no charge to you.

Sounds like you're hating just b/c and spending just b/c. Ferrari does not = BMW, so stop putting your car on a pedestal. You've obviously made some poor financial decisions such as the Simota CAI, so I think the argument should end here before it gets ugly.

[UFhypzM3]

Originally Posted by kjrulz

Raceland downpipes are T304-SS. I purchased them way back as I was one of the first guinea pigs for it. I did sell them shortly after, for no reason besides I wanted 3" dp's.

By the way, Raceland has amazing customer service and will gladly take back the downpipes with no charge to you.

Sounds like you're hating just b/c and spending just b/c. Ferrari does not = BMW, so stop putting your car on a pedestal. You've obviously made some poor financial decisions such as the Simota CAI, so I think the argument should end here before it gets ugly.

100% agree with the ferrari =/= bmw - (and everything else)

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by kjrulz

Raceland downpipes are T304-SS. I purchased them way back as I was one of the first guinea pigs for it. I did sell them shortly after, for no reason besides I wanted 3" dp's.

By the way, Raceland has amazing customer service and will gladly take back the downpipes with no charge to you.

Sounds like you're hating just b/c and spending just b/c. Ferrari does not = BMW, so stop putting your car on a pedestal. You've obviously made some poor financial decisions such as the Simota CAI, so I think the argument should end here before it gets ugly.

Why are you intentionally inciting someone for offering their opinion? That is what we are all on these forums to do, no?

There's like 3 or 4 of you all going after him for making a comment about the questionable quality of RaceLand DP's.

Yea, BMW doesn't equal Ferrari, no shit, but BMW doesn't equal Honda either. Tons of folks on these boards spend good amounts of money on their cars, buying a more expensive product doesn't mean ones stupid. I see a reason to invest in a well made DP, thats really where this conversation stops for me. What I may be willing to pay and what your wiling to pay is based on entirely different criteria for establishing an items value.

[UFhypzM3]

Originally Posted by ///M3THOD

Why are you intentionally inciting someone for offering their opinion? That is what we are all on these forums to do, no?

There's like 3 or 4 of you all going after him for making a comment about the questionable quality of RaceLand DP's.

Yea, BMW doesn't equal Ferrari, no shit, but BMW doesn't equal Honda either. Tons of folks on these boards spend good amounts of money on their cars, buying a more expensive product doesn't mean ones stupid. I see a reason to invest in a well made DP, thats really where this conversation stops for me. What I may be willing to pay and what your wiling to pay is based on entirely different criteria for establishing an items value.

You have PLM dp's............................

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by UFhypz335

You have PLM dp's............................

Read.................

Originally Posted by ///M3THOD

There's AR's, AA's, and MS 3" DP's that sell on the FS forum for between 450-550 all day. What DP's are you replacing 5 times for that much?

Some batches of Raceland DP's were known specifically for having bad fitment and cracking welds. There a quantifiable foundation for the comment. I'm running PLM's which I have no problems with whatsoever, but I am upgrading them just because I would like to have a nicer piece and I don't mind spending a little more on a quality piece.

And a meth kit & FMIC for 600 dollars, send me that link please

Originally Posted by ///M3THOD

This whole conversation is a waste of time. Everyone perceives value in products differently. Some look at it as a dollar v. performance ratio, others look at it as putting well engineered, quality pieces on their well made (ehh, maybe ...lol), well engineered BMW.

Personally, unless you absolutely have to have it right that minute, I would rather by quality used pieces but at a discounted rate.

I understand the appeal of Raceland DP's but seriously, don't sit here and tell me they are well made. They have tons of issues but they are so cheap most people are willing to roll the dice. I'm pretty happy with my PLM's, which I got super cheap because I just couldn't wait for a nice used set to come up, but now that I have had them for 2 months and my wallet has recovered from pretty much bolting on everything I could in the first 3 weeks of owning my car.. I'm ready for my MS 3" DP's.

And....

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532318

Not taking anyone's side.. I was attempting to find a middle ground. My new DP's will be here Friday. I will let you know how they compare.

[UFhypzM3]

Well def interested to hear an unbiased comparison! Keep us updated.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by kjrulz

Raceland downpipes are T304-SS.

So y dont they advertise on their own website that they are T304?..Wouldnt that be a major selling point??? Let me guess somebody there told you they were T304 and you believed em and the reason y they dont put in writing...????...well maybe you can figure that one out

Originally Posted by kjrulz

You've obviously made some poor financial decisions such as the Simota CAI. so I think the argument should end here before it gets ugly

What do u know about what I paid for my Simota?..NOTHING..the intake is great and the only one thats a true stock like cold air setup..and I paid a hella of alot less than the hot air intakes available

Too late for that..already has...what u dont know could fill a book.

[YngPhllyKd]

Originally Posted by Clap135

My plm downpipes are perfect. I got them bran new for 275 shipped. I see all these 600-900 dollar pipes and just shake my head at the rapaged.

Can only find them for $399 on ebay. Where did you find them for $275?

[TurboSid]

Originally Posted by ///M3THOD

Read.................







And....

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532318

Not taking anyone's side.. I was attempting to find a middle ground. My new DP's will be here Friday. I will let you know how they compare.

But what reason do you have to sell the plm's for ms's? There has to be some measurable reason for spending more time and money to replace 3" dp's for 3" dp's?

[dyezak]

Wow, so after 3 pages did you guys finally figure out who can piss farther?

[UFhypzM3]

Originally Posted by dyezak

Wow, so after 3 pages did you guys finally figure out who can piss farther?

obv me...