[Trevor008]

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

Uhgg I'm only #12? Atleast I'm not 13

Try being #14 on the list! It doesn't really matter though as 10-14 will likely go out at the same time

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Trevor008

Try being #14 on the list! It doesn't really matter though as 10-14 will likely go out at the same time

Yeah im like 15 or 16... I talked to him the morning, Im waiting on his address so I can send the cashiers check. Regardless, I will have them in the next couple months.

[Trevor008]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I def. know the differences btwn AT and MT, its very minuscule. As for the awd vs rwd its also very miniscule. So we are talking maybe 5-15whp. I am just stating that with methanol and 2-3psi higher I would easily make 425-430whp. I am not trying to bash his car at all, only the turbos. I feel that AWD just tried to pump out a set of turbos to meet the demand without fully researching or even testing their claims. I would like to catch up with you northern Va guys and see how my car compares when I get this meth kit working and I get these new wheels/tires on. I just dont understand why the AWD turbo'd car and many other n54's dont put down as much tq as mine does. Makes me really hopeful to see what kinda power it will make when I get my RB's in the mail. I also want to dyno my car again with a working meth kit and the new 3-30 maps. The car is running better than ever and Im sorry if I sound harsh but the AWD upgrade just doesnt seem like its a good bang for the buck like they preached. I am interested in what your numbers are with your tune worked out. Let me know when you want to go to the dyno and I will try and meet you there.

Last time I dyno'd I put down 410whp and 450wtq on 93/meth at 17psi on the stock, unaltered, exhaust. That was at Moores with their POS tiny fan too. I'd venture to say that your car and mne are probably on par. I run more boost now though and will be on RB's in a couple months.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

The difference of an AT and AWD at 400+whp compared to a MT and RWD will be far more than 5-15whp. It is physics. More parasitic loss.

As for power...the n54 will only make so much power. At a point the gains become much smaller incrementally towards the top end of the RPM range and turbo efficiency (higher boost). If you made 400whp off meth it just means you baseline higher. I only made 399whp fbo (but stock exhaust) with meth. But I baseline sub in the 260whp that day. All this competition between the same cars is slightly futile as we all have the same setup (stock turbos for those of us that are on them) and just different hard parts but barring any horrid designs they all flow the same.

Jeramie's car is fun to go in. We've made many a chipotle run. Are the AWD turbos great? No. Do they increase efficiency in the top end? Yes. Enough to warrant the price? Thats up to the consumer. If Jeramie upgraded to RB's I would have no problem pondering replacing my siren / whining stockers with those just to not hear mine cry. Would I recommend them to anyone? Probably not. Thats about the review I would give them. I know what I would be willing to pay to gain the efficiency bump in the upper RPM's - but I dont think AWD would sell them to me at that price point.

I must have a better baseline then. What would you estimate the diff. is? Mine should be about a 12-13% loss as opposed to his 14-16%?? I didnt think it would be more than that.. The only diff. in mods I can see in mine and others is the HPF fmic. I also have a second oil cooler which helps after the 6-7+ runs I did on Mach V's dyno. We never had an issue with oil temps. You still have explained why i put down gobs more tq than he did? 30+wtq is not something to shrug off, thats a ton. I totally agree with you about your review on the turbos. I just dont understand why you would buy them for the minor increase, I just think that turbos should be your biggest "hardware" gain(not tune) and these look to be about the same as what my downpipes gained....again, no beef toward his car..just at the cost of these turbos for what they yield. I do understand that everyone has diff. goals but I dont think you should buy turbos for just a better top end, I want to see TOTAL change...throughout the entire rpm band.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Trevor008

Last time I dyno'd I put down 410whp and 450wtq on 93/meth at 17psi on the stock, unaltered, exhaust. That was at Moores with their POS tiny fan too. I'd venture to say that your car and mne are probably on par. I run more boost now though and will be on RB's in a couple months.

Let me know the next time you go to the track bc I would like to race you. Seeing that I have the meth kit working by then. Or we could do a race with it on and off and see the diff. I would like to catch up with you guys next time you have a meet tho, we dont have any guys around here that tune like I do. It will be nice to be around some cars on par with mine.

[Jake@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I must have a better baseline then. What would you estimate the diff. is? Mine should be about a 12-13% loss as opposed to his 14-16%?? I didnt think it would be more than that.. The only diff. in mods I can see in mine and others is the HPF fmic. I also have a second oil cooler which helps after the 6-7+ runs I did on Mach V's dyno. We never had an issue with oil temps. You still have explained why i put down gobs more tq than he did? 30+wtq is not something to shrug off, thats a ton. I totally agree with you about your review on the turbos. I just dont understand why you would buy them for the minor increase, I just think that turbos should be your biggest "hardware" gain(not tune) and these look to be about the same as what my downpipes gained....again, no beef toward his car..just at the cost of these turbos for what they yield. I do understand that everyone has diff. goals but I dont think you should buy turbos for just a better top end, I want to see TOTAL change...throughout the entire rpm band.

We don't know his baseline because on the dyno that he put 430awhp he didnt baseline...just did power runs...I am guessing the MachV dyno simply reads a little higher. Not much - but a little.

As for drive train loss...single axle is typically 15% on a MT and a little higher for an AT. Obviously every car is different but thats about the accepted "norm". Now we have mentioned AT loses a little more power and when you add in a second axle to power (AWD) you lose a fair deal more. I would guess that had he been an MT / RWD you would see 25-30whp more which is a decent amount.

On the dyno he made 430awhp I put down 26x-27x whp fully bolted (stock exhaust though). An N54 will typically gain 125-140whp depending how hard they push it with full bolt ons and meth and race gas (sometimes 150whp). So when you see people claim they made 440whp on a dyno jet it means their baseline was probably just shy or even over 300whp. My baseline was 30whp lower than that which explains why i was around 399whp on pump and meth at 16.5 - 17psi. Your car is just as fast as everyone elses with the same tune and same mods (albeit different brands). Its a drivers race at that point. Hope this doesnt sound harsh or anything...just mentioning things that are definitive so there is no misconceptions

[Trevor008]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Let me know the next time you go to the track bc I would like to race you. Seeing that I have the meth kit working by then. Or we could do a race with it on and off and see the diff. I would like to catch up with you guys next time you have a meet tho, we dont have any guys around here that tune like I do. It will be nice to be around some cars on par with mine.

Yup, I'll do that. I just went about 2 weeks ago and ran an 11.98@117.73 on 98ish octane/meth with a 1.80 60ft. That was at 16psi tough and I normally run 18.5psi. My meth sensor was misreading/transmitting so I had to switch from my normal meth map to a light race map. I also ran a 12.1@115.81 w/ a 1.82 60ft before I knew my flow sensor was messed up. I hit a max of 14psi on that run. That was with the seats removed and on 17" k1's w/ 274/45 bfg dr's. I'd like to go again soon but with the meth working properly and on 104oct to try and hit an 11.5x@119-120. I think it's possible with the higher boost/higher octane/ better 60ft to get down there.

[Trevor008]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

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As for drive train loss...single axle is typically 15% on a MT and a little higher for an AT. Obviously every car is different but thats about the accepted "norm". Now we have mentioned AT loses a little more power and when you add in a second axle to power (AWD) you lose a fair deal more. I would guess that had he been an MT / RWD you would see 25-30whp more which is a decent amount.

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The one day we were at Moores there was a a stock 6AT/XI that put down 245whp as compared to another stock 6AT/I that put down 270whp if I remember correctly. That's a decent difference and it would only get bigger the higher you go. I would guess that at 400+ you would see a 30-40whp difference. Those numbers amount to about a 18% loss for the AT/XI and 10% for the AT/I. In reality, the n54 puts out around 320chp instead of the rated 300chp, or so it's been said. That changes the losses to 23% and 15% respectively which is about right.

[Jake@MOTIV]

Trev - launching on DR's is a world of a different story than streets. If you wanna meet up and practice on a decent "drag like" surface let me know. Been in the game a while and have "some" practice with different tires. My last time out I was putting 1.90-1.97 60fts on my 19" all seasons lol. Get your 60ft in the 1.65 range and you'd see a good amount come off your ET.

Most action this threads had in a while lol.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

Trev - launching on DR's is a world of a different story than streets. If you wanna meet up and practice on a decent "drag like" surface let me know. Been in the game a while and have "some" practice with different tires. My last time out I was putting 1.90-1.97 60fts on my 19" all seasons lol. Get your 60ft in the 1.65 range and you'd see a good amount come off your ET.

Most action this threads had in a while lol.

Let me know when you have some time so we can dial in the meth kit and so I can practice some launches as well. I just got some sticky tires(advan ad08's) to try it out on. They are on 19's so I know it wont be as good but I have some 18's I can try out at well. Just sent in the money for my turbos so I will need your friend to help me install those when they get here as well.

[Jake@MOTIV]

Sounds good. I should have plenty of time next sunday.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

Sounds good. I should have plenty of time next sunday.

Cool, I will send you a pm next week to confirm.

[Trevor008]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

Trev - launching on DR's is a world of a different story than streets. If you wanna meet up and practice on a decent "drag like" surface let me know. Been in the game a while and have "some" practice with different tires. My last time out I was putting 1.90-1.97 60fts on my 19" all seasons lol. Get your 60ft in the 1.65 range and you'd see a good amount come off your ET.

Most action this threads had in a while lol.

I'll definitely give you a shout sometime. We plan on hitting 75-80 a few times in the near future mainly to work on launches and you are more than welcome to join us. I get practice on my dd 18's(285/35 NTO5's) every chance I get and yes, it is a world of difference. I think a lot of the reason I was only getting 1.8x's is because i had too much pressure in them. It slipped my mind to even decrease it. I'm hoping to drop my 60ft down to the 1.6x's next time out.

[Syndicategt]

Originally Posted by Trevor008

I'm hoping to drop my 60ft down to the 1.6x's next time out.

Might want to get some beefed up half shafts too

[Trevor008]

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

Might want to get some beefed up half shafts too

I'm ahead of you on that front my friend. I got DSS shafts, Wavetrac LSD and CM FX400 clutch intalled a couple months ago in preparation for this season of hard launching

[Jake@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by Trevor008

I'm ahead of you on that front my friend. I got DSS shafts, Wavetrac LSD and CM FX400 clutch intalled a couple months ago in preparation for this season of hard launching

Guh - im already looking for what car im going to buy next. I have 63k miles and dont feel like modding a car with that many miles. Also the fact that companies rape people (even cost to distributors is high) just because its a bmw. If I am going to make another car I own fast again it sure as shit wont be a car with DI lol. If I am going to spend upwards of 10k in parts and be limited to under 550whp I just wont do it lol. Give me good ole port injection where i can drop some ID2000 and a standalone and be done.

[tmdb335]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

Guh - im already looking for what car im going to buy next. I have 63k miles and dont feel like modding a car with that many miles. Also the fact that companies rape people (even cost to distributors is high) just because its a bmw. If I am going to make another car I own fast again it sure as shit wont be a car with DI lol. If I am going to spend upwards of 10k in parts and be limited to under 550whp I just wont do it lol. Give me good ole port injection where i can drop some ID2000 and a standalone and be done.

lol Im with you on that. I cannot wait to get pick up another vette,FBO, procharge it, 600whp on pump alone and be part of the 10sec club reliably lol.

[tmdb335]

Originally Posted by Trevor008

I'm ahead of you on that front my friend. I got DSS shafts, Wavetrac LSD and CM FX400 clutch intalled a couple months ago in preparation for this season of hard launching

11.5s before the RBs .

[Jake@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by tmdb335

lol Im with you on that. I cannot wait to get pick up another vette,FBO, procharge it, 600whp on pump alone and be part of the 10sec club reliably lol.

if you build it....jew will tune it lol [obviously field of dreams quote time]

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

if you build it....jew will tune it lol [obviously field of dreams quote time]

Jake I see you in a k20 swapped bubble with a comptech blower on it running 13s at 125 lol....oh wait u did something close to that already. RICER

[creaminz]

tmdb335,

Im glad to hear your car is finally running great! AWD turbos are still unproven and probably wont get much help from the owner as well. Last thing I need to do before put them on my bicycle, I want to try Vishnus new meth kit and their fuel pump. Hit the dyno, will see what happens. Oh and difference between I & XI should be more than everyone thinks on the dyno! Like someone mentioned, should be good 30-40rwhp difference.

[Jake@MOTIV]

Creaminz - if they aren't on your car - I wouldn't put them on. Even Robert@Vishnu joked about them with me on the phone once lol...your car is far to baller. get a set of rb's and do it big!!! Its not that the AWD turbos are bad they just aren't good...they add a little efficiency up top and allow you to make a little more power to redline...upgraded turbos should flow more throughout the rpm band. A billet compressor wheel and clipped turbine at best dont seem to be doing enough in this housing. PM me for more details off the forums as I am fairly sure I know who built these and I helped test them a year ago with a different BIG name company when I was assisting with their tuning.