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THE ULTIMATE Intercooler Thread - What to Look For Before Buying an FMIC
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03-05-2016, 09:41 AM | #67 | |
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Results i saw from different ATM customers were not as good other top intercoolers
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Wagner EVO I VRSF 5" ETS 5"
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03-05-2016, 01:01 PM | #70 | |
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You can go with 5" intercoolers to keep weight to a minimum
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03-05-2016, 04:16 PM | #71 | |
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Good advice about a 5 inch, but do you have any idea what the weight on a good 5 inch compared to stock is? |
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03-05-2016, 04:30 PM | #72 | |
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I guarantee you would not be able to tell by driving if a car had an upgraded ic or not. You would only notice it after you didn't heat soak after a single pull. The weight is minimal and honestly not worth discussing. 3700+ lb car you will not notice a few pounds on nose.
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03-05-2016, 04:37 PM | #74 | |
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What ones have you seen performing better then ATM. Beside ad engineering intercooler. Last edited by Brule; 03-05-2016 at 05:44 PM.. |
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What setup would you say the Mishimoto ic is ideal for? I'm looking to run about 14-17 psi on a "stage 1" type tune with forge dv, evolution cp and k&n drop in filter.
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03-06-2016, 12:31 AM | #77 |
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03-06-2016, 08:28 AM | #78 | |
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The IC works by having fresh air flow through it. Part of that equation is making sure the air has a place to go behind it. The engine bay is closed off with the cowl and underbody panel to use the low pressure under the car to suck out the engine bay air. When you take the cowl off, you mess with that air flow. It would seem that you are giving the under hood air another path to escape, but the cowl area is usually high pressure. That's why our fresh air intake is there, and why you see muscle cars with "cowl induction" hoods that are open in the back. So rather than giving under hood air another escape path, it would seem that you are adding air pressure, which would reduce the efficiency of all radiators(IC included). Just wondering if anyone has any data on air management with a cowl versus without. |
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03-06-2016, 08:30 AM | #79 |
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Weight is necessary. All that extra material is contributing to heat dissipation. Intercoolers are the one part you dont want to be lighter. Even the 5" feel like they weigh a ton compared to stock.
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03-06-2016, 10:14 AM | #80 | |
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Define heat soak quickly? I peak at 19, If I drop down to 3rd on the highway and flog it to over 6000rpm temps rise a few deg and quickly recover. Cruising IATs are 16-22 deg over ambient (obviously more when sitting in traffic or stop and go). The difference between heat soak vs a larger intercooler is where a 7" may not heat soak until 10 runs, the Mishitmoto may heat soak after 3 runs. Is that "quickly heat soaking" or stock like heat soaking? Maybe if your road racing or doing shift sectors. For the average car/guy it does not heat soak quickly. As for these restrictive connectors. Well have we not discovered inlets are restrictive? Have we not discovered outlets are restrictive? Have we not discovered stock air box is restrictive? Have we not discovered oem DPs are restrictive? Have ANY of these restrictions prevented over 400whp? stock turbo outlet size is 1.5" isn't that a restriction too? How many FBO minus intercooler with meth or E85 cars with stock intercooler have surpassed 400whp, tons. The inlets are restrictive in that the engine must apply more work: as in you may need to run 20psi vs 18.5psi to achieve the same results but the inlet size does not "choke off whp" or prevent you from achieving anything under 450whp, its not that small stop drinking the kool-aide. Bottom line is all I have is Mishimoto intercooler, drop in filter (I had AFE dual cone, you can buy them for cheap if you like) run E35, peak at 19psi, 13deg or peak timing and perfectly clean logs. Is it the best: no. Is it a great value: no. Is it the easiest to install, most stealth and easiest to return back to stock: yes. Is it good enough for a stock turbo FBO. I've had it going on two years running more boost and timing than any of these OTS maps and to imply its only adequate for stock is absurd. Last edited by stanlalee; 03-06-2016 at 10:19 AM.. |
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03-06-2016, 12:11 PM | #81 | |
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At the end of the day it's an inexpensive mod. I think people put way too much thought into it.
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03-06-2016, 01:02 PM | #82 | |
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Mishmoto is a tiny intercooler, ambient temps 16-22 over ambient cruising is alot.
Check out some atm logs that are with in a few f ambient. It might have a big improvement over stock but its a small restrictive intercooler |
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03-06-2016, 05:17 PM | #84 | |
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The statement I responded to had nothing to do with if its small or restrictive but the implication it is not adequate for anything but stock. You aren't sacrificing nearly as much as you think you are. Almost all your power from intercooling is coming from flow improvements and keeping temps below engaging IAT corrections (which can be virtually turned way down or off with E40 and above). The intercooler connectors are just one of about 10 different restrictive areas between the air filter and reaching the intake manifold that can be improved upon but doesn't mean not suitable for use beyond stock. The difference between utilizing those connectors at 400whp is about equal to the difference between running a drop in filter and dual cone intakes. Your probably one of those people who tell people their car is going to blow up if they use the stock airbox on a tuned car. The intercooler is perfectly usable up to about 430 whp ESPECIALLY with the use of ethanol and meth. Its not the best and its not for extremes (duh) but only suitable for stock, child please. |
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03-06-2016, 07:52 PM | #85 | |
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Get something like the Wagner Competition intercooler, its the lightest you can go while still offering great results
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03-06-2016, 07:54 PM | #86 | |
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Didnt see any comparison between ATM and other intercoolers, but ER and ETS on my car did better numbers than ATM numbers i saw on forum users cars
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IF the car is not pushing crazy boost numbers
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03-06-2016, 07:57 PM | #88 | |
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ATM being better then an EVO II Wagner? By the way, we'd be happy to offer ATM but they have not offered to sell to us. From what I've seen they are a great intercooler. With so many intercoolers in the market, it's hard to say one is the best. They all cater to different needs, budgets and wants. What can be said is most of the ones vendors here offer are much improved over stock. I personally run an ETS 5". That being said, I wouldn't mind running an EVO II wagner or an ATM myself. The ETS 5" at my price point was great value for quality, fitment, performance and ease of install. Last edited by Jeff@TopGearSolutions; 03-06-2016 at 08:02 PM.. |
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